User talk:Justarandomamerican/Archive 1

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	For stopping vandalism dead in its tracks earlier today. Fast - ZoomZoom (talk) 22:20, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Some info

I saw you'd taken the lead on managing the 67.168.231.23 disruption. I asked around about that last week and tl;dr that address is inextricably linked with Smn/Bhinegar/Gioguch, a prolific sockmaster associated with massive cross-wiki abuse on nearly all of the major wikifarms fandom, miraheze, wikimedia, etc. and who is also the source of numerous rangeblocks on 2601:1C2:4E00:3DE:0:0:0:0/64 although that won't be an issue here since only IPv4 identification is used. Hopefully this place is small and uninteresting enough that they stay away, but if not it should be possible to seek assistance from those dealing with this case elsewhere, Best Fast - ZoomZoom (talk) 01:53, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

@Fast: Great, an infamous sockmaster. I'll take charge for now, but won't hesitate to call for help from a steward or from wikifarms. Justarandomamerican (talk) 02:02, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Hope you're not feeling discouraged

So I just missed your steward request. First, I wanted to thank you for putting yourself out there and stepping up, because I do think testwiki could use some more long term janitorial help, and I hope to see a another stewardship request some months down the road. You have been doing good, and mostly thankless, work behind the scenes, and that deserves to be recognized. I also know, that even when you know it isn't personnel, it still sucks to experience what feels like rejection from fellow community members. I think the general point of the oppose advice is good though, even if six months seems a tad long to me personally. So unless you know everyone in a community already from work elsewhere, or it's a new startup where the founder is begging anyone for help with maintenance, your unlikely to be given the highest permission around in less than 30 days. But every community is a little different so there are no guarantees.

I can only speak for myself here, but to me there are really three things I look at when someone wants to take on an advanced role within an online community.

First I have to trust that they won't misuse any permissions attached to it. That does not mean that I won't support someone who doesn't know javascript if a permission gives them the ability to (re)write it, just that I need to trust them to know their own limitations and not use that particular piece of the tool kit. And as a corollary because we are all human and make mistakes eventually, that they are the kind of person who will fix their own errors if they can or be unashamed to promptly seek help from others if they can't.

Second (and I've shamelessly stolen this criteria from a user on communitywiki) comply with the precepts of Fidonet policy four Section 9.1., and no I'm not making this up.

1. Thou shalt not excessively annoy others.
2. Thou shalt not be too easily annoyed.

it's unreasonable to expect any real human to never make any social missteps, or to be unfailingly polite all the time, but so long as someone follows those two rules I can trust they will ModelDesiredBehavior sufficiently well for the community to function.

Finally, be committed. It's easy to say yes I'm committed to this community, of course I'll be here to help out on a regular basis. But things change, an initial burst of excitement may not last. Interest fades, burnout happens, or it turns out that outside of a small working group, many community members are jerks I don't want to be around. However much I may truly believe that yes I'll be here a year from now still putting in regular effort, the truth may turn out otherwise. So how can community members judge who is a short-termer and who will still be turning up in the far future to empty the trash on New Year's morning? Really the only way is to wait and see. Who sticks around, who leaves, and who maybe pops by once in a blue-moon. Depending on the size/age of the community as well as the amount of work to be done the period may be shorter or longer, but the basic principle holds, there is no way for either the community or even me myself to know without having a track record to go off of.

So I think you meet my first two criteria. As for the third, well I believe you earnestly intend to be here helping out many months in the future, but the record is a little thin to go off. So that one is really an unknown. That probably would've left me in the neutral column, albeit really wanting to support, but I can understand and respect the oppose point of view and I hope you can as well.

I think it is strongly to your credit that you were responsive to feedback in a calm collected way. So just keep doing what your doing and I'm sure that when your ready for another go, there will be no shortage of supports. Best, Fast - ZoomZoom (talk) 01:20, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@Fast: I understand Naleksuh's point, and can respect it. I plan on having another go in a month or 2. Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:56, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Blackwidowmovie0

hello, i wanted to come warn you about a user by the username blackwidowmovie0 i would not recommend giving him any Wiki power he Misuses them and i recommend infinitely not giving him power and if you need me to give you more reasons to why i can do so he also uses sockpuppet's --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 00:48, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Cocopuff2018: I am aware. Justarandomamerican (talk) 02:26, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Cocopuff2018: Cocopuff2018, you and BlackWidowMovie0 have been at each others throats for months now. I assure you that any problems here are being handled locally, but if you only registered here to essentially combat the other editor, I would recommend going elsewhere. Naleksuh (talk) 02:32, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Naleksuh:I have registered here so I can test and work on my templates, also if I am here to test do you still need for me to leave or can I stay? --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 03:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

There is no problem with you being here provided you are following policies. As you said above, you mentioned you wanted to test templates here. That is fine as well. I was simply mentioning as you do have a history of battling with BlackWidowMovie0 and one of your first edits here was doing that as well. However there is no problem with you being here for the specified purpose or anything else allowed by project policies. Naleksuh (talk) 04:01, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi there.

thought i'd stop by your talk page and say hi. --Pelksel (talk) 00:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@Pelksel: Hello. Just so you know, a request for stewardship is open for discussion at the community portal. Justarandomamerican (talk) 01:00, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Note regarding my recent request for stewardship

As a note to others, I withdraw my statement regarding assuming good faith on my comment in the oppose section. Some things we do deserve to be taken back. This is one of them. Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:16, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi.

I am back, I needed some time away from TestWiki as I was busy doing stuff irl but im back now. --Pelksel (talk) 13:04, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Adminship

Welcome to the admin tools test wiki! Your account has been given admin rights, so feel free to start testing right away. If you have any questions, let me know. -Administrator (talk) 16:32, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Bureaucrat rights

Hello. Your account has been given bureaucrat rights, so feel free to start testing advanced functions listed straight away. If you have any questions, let us know. -Administrator (talk) 16:32, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

For-Test Wiki

Is it down for you too? X (talk) 14:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

It works just fine from here on my laptop, but not on my phone. It's weird. Justarandomamerican (talk) 14:42, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the hosting service can be unreliable. X (talk) 14:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Definitely. Justarandomamerican (talk) 14:48, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

hi

hello, do you remember me? i have a new self hosted wiki! do you want to be admin on it? sorry we got disconnected --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 01:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I do indeed remember you, and I'm happy to help. Justarandomamerican (talk) 02:23, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

do you have irc i miss working with you --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 02:25, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

I rarely use IRC, but I'm happy to hop on. My user is Justaran. Justarandomamerican (talk) 02:26, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

hey

if you can here is the new wiki link once you singup i will add you rights unsure what happened to other one @Justarandomamerican

Recent changes - CocopuffWiki (ezzeblog.com)

Cocopuff2018 (talk) 17:38, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

TPA

Hello! I saw you’ve granted TPA back to an LTA. Not sure that was the best idea IMO. X (talk) 20:13, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Given the fact that their WM account was recently unlocked, there's reason to believe that they could be trusted with a public appeal, and a public appeal only. Justarandomamerican (talk) 20:15, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I trust your opinion here and look forward to hearing a possible appeal. X (talk) 20:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

CocopuffWIki

hello would you still like to be a steward at cocopuffWiki and did i invite you to it yet? @Justarandomamerican Cocopuff2018 (talk) 20:23, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

i granted you steward welcome back to the team! Cocopuff2018 (talk) 20:32, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome! X (talk) 20:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

Reverts

Hello Justa, I want to express my gratitude for addressing the un-discussed merges. I was somewhat puzzled by these actions, as there hadn't been any prior communication regarding them. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 13:53, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Piccadilly Appeal

I rolled back my discussion started about an email due to procedural grounds. Specifically: Piccadilly is not allowed to appeal until November 17th. The appeal may be considered in a Non-Steward initiated discussion that overrides that restriction, but not otherwise. Justarandomamerican (talk) 19:59, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello, Justarandomamerican. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{YGM}} template. X (talk) 15:23, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Sent another one :) X (talk) 18:35, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Replied to it. Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:37, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Saw your reply, agreed. X (talk) 18:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

+1 X (talk) 19:01, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

replied X (talk) 19:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Feel free to revert to status quo pending I and Drummingman discussing the matter. Thanks, Justarandomamerican (talk) 19:30, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

I'll hold off doing anything until you discuss. Thanks, X (talk) 19:33, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Abuse filter test

I noticed you are trying to test filter 118 (Adding emails to pages); however, users with sysop rights are exempted. Feel free to edit it to test if it works and modifications if desired, and/or restore the previous state of the filter when done. Thank you! – 64andtim ^(talk) 17:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, 64andtim! Justarandomamerican (talk) 17:56, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Suppression log

Can you check the suppression log and verify the actions I just took were correct. TY! X (talk) 23:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, they were correct. If you see an old hidden user that isn't an attack name or otherwise not suitable for public view, unsuppress it. A person unblocking someone who is blocked by Stewards as an official action would be blocked very quickly nowadays. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:37, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Great thanks. Going through lots of past suppression logs now & looking for errors. :) X (talk) 23:40, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

See my newest thread on the community portal, I'm going to be looking into the Piccadilly socks. I see you have already done a confirmation of the blocks I've done so far. Do I have your permission to do "steward actions" on these blocks? X (talk) 23:48, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

You can block them all for block evasion. Based on current practice though, only a Steward can perform a steward action. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:54, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Will do for now. Made a proposal in the meantime on [[Test Wiki:Community

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thanks so much for all you do for Test Wiki and congratulations on 1,000 edits! You deserve it. X (talk) 03:05, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Example account hide

What is your opinion on hiding the example account (suppress block) so innocent users don't accidentally block & unblock it. We could also rename it to something random, hide it, and then create a new example account with a random password. X (talk) 00:36, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I have renamed it to something chosen specifically to prevent test blocks. Would that be okay? Justarandomamerican (talk) 00:41, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

To avoid any confusion at all, I'd rename to something like "Vanished user [random numbers here]" and hide the account. I've seen some of the things people have done in the past with it and hiding it will not allow anyone who remembers the password to login. X (talk) 01:09, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Transparency vs disruption prevented is the most important thing to balance when hiding an account. Me personally, I don't think it's worth it. @Drummingman: Do you have a different take on this? Justarandomamerican (talk) 01:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I think community members would understand the desire to not have the account public. I can point to countless (now suppressed) diffs of harassment, threats, and slurs coming from the account. I can assure you that this is a net positive. X (talk) 01:36, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Also, I would be curious to see how you define "serious vandalism". Racials slurs, in my opinion, meet that standard. X (talk) 01:39, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I think revision deletion is an adequate alternative in cases where there is no identifiable target, human or organization, and it isn't without administrative value (which specific examples of disruption by long-term disruptive editors would not meet). Justarandomamerican (talk) 01:45, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

With the addition of the long term abuse pages, I don't think keeping that diff public serves any additional administrative value. X (talk) 02:33, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Let's figure out the difference between our definitions. Me personally, it is vandalism where regular administrative tools would be insufficient to protect the community, such as repetitive slurs, attack names, etc. What is yours? Justarandomamerican (talk) 02:53, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I'd say anything that is extremely offensive to certain groups of people, including slurs, threats of harm, and other personal attacks that serve no administrative value to help prevent future attacks. This is why I only suppressed those with the one racial slur and not others like "Hi r____d". X (talk) 11:38, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

To me, the priority needs to be balancing transparency against protection of the community. Completely suppressing a single racial slur (especially without a target) doesn't really protect any administrator.. My opinion is that serious vandalism should be suppressed only when it is necessary to protect the community. Thanks for the reply, and to be clear, certain things like sexually explicit/obscene material should be suppressed despite not having a clear target, due to their nature.Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:40, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Noted, thanks. X (talk) 01:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

And yes: I jumped the gun whilst asking for community resolution. I'll take this and every dispute a bit slower next time. Justarandomamerican (talk) 03:37, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, we need new, community-defined suppression criteria to get rid of the constant confusion. I have proposed this on the community portal. Justarandomamerican (talk) 01:57, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Should we also have info about revision deleting content prior to oversight? Obviously when doing this type of stuff, you should be discreet when doing that. – 64andtim ^(talk) 03:51, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Though we don't need community defined criteria at the moment, we should have some information about revision deletion prior to suppression, yes. Justarandomamerican (talk) 14:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

+1 X (talk) 14:25, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

As far as I am concerned, no further actions are necessary. Having the username suppressed is unnecessary and too heavy, also because the password has been suppressed by me before. And with the new account, the password is secret, right? And it doesn't appear on onwiki either. Because that brought the problems we had seen. Drummingman (talk) 16:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

The password to the new example account is hidden, yes. X (talk) 17:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree with that. The password has been suppressed, and anyone logging in and editing will be met with a block message. Anyone removing the block to use the former example account would be blocked/warned quickly. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:47, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Piccadilly

Just making sure you are aware that Piccadilly violated their unblock conditions just last week by editing while logged out using an IP. X (talk + contribs) 18:24, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

But I am absolutely willing to help them re-integrate into the community if that is what the stewards think is best. Not saying the action was incorrect in any way. X (talk + contribs) 18:27, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

I am certainly aware. However, the consensus is that she may be unblocked regardless, as per Dmehus, my, and Drummingman's thoughts on the matter. She is apologetic for block evasion, and it didn't cause that much disruption in terms of what she normally does. Thank you for the message. Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:32, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Glad to hear, happy to see that she made a good appeal. X (talk + contribs) 18:38, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Temp Admin Rights

I noticed that when you gave me admin rights here, you set them to expire in a week. What should I do when that time is up? I was just wondering whether I'd need to pass another quiz to get them again. Piccadilly (My Contribs | Talk to me) 02:44, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

I've made them indefinite. Justarandomamerican (talk) 02:47, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Piccadilly (My Contribs | Talk to me) 02:48, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Alt rename

And could you rename my alt account, Username 2, to just 'Username'? Thanks, Saint (talk) 02:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Saint (talk) 19:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)