User talk:Proof
Unblock request
This drama ends now, if you would like to make an actual unblock request please do so in a new section. Fast - ZoomZoom (talk) 17:59, 7 January 2021 (UTC) |
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@Naleksuh: As Naleksuh requested I am using my original account as to not be considered a "sock" account. Why is my material being hidden? And why is everyone just staying silent about
@Naleksuh: @Justarandomamerican: @Fast: I Just got the ping, I am going to mention this user has been Creating many accounts on my wiki Promoting hate and Calling me "Homophobic, i in fact am not One and is was a misunderstanding i am not a homophobic when I was on the irc channel I was meaning to ask a Question and everyone took it the wrong way i have nothing against sexuality, and action on irc has been taken this is clearly off wiki drama on top of that this user has spammed and made multiple templated promoting and attacking that i will link below, anyways i personally thing this persons are questionable, i mean yes he could of handled it better instead of using Sockpuppet's and I would say I am inclined to Support a Unban As for multiple Reasons a) Not hear to test or make edits (b) attacks and Multiple Sockpuppet's i Can go on with more but for now i will keep it brief, as with this all being said i am not a homophobic it was a misunderstanding I would never say anything Hurtful Against Lgbt this user has also Recently created multiple Sockpuppet's this morning including the one's i will list from the last week, along with this user abusing a proxy to harass and attack me i do feel i should not be removed from test wiki or blocked as this clearly does seem this users behavior is warrant for Looking into on multiple Attacks, along with the user quote "i will never leave this wiki meaning he will not stop making accounts this has been going on now for a week and i do feel no action here should be taken on me as this was a honest mistake that i have made and i should be dismissed and forgiven for as it will not happen again as for the discord screenshot i never said that clearly that user could of Edited, Modified, or make an account pretending to be me to make me look bad, However i am going to be linking the rest of His Outrages behavior on sockpuppet's below along with many other accounts spamming, and Removing templates, this user has also shown no respect towards test wiki nor respect towards me or my fellow collages aswell, i am now requesting that this Issue is dismissed and that No action is taken upon me here as this clearly has no warrant for action within this wiki, and that i can remain as admin here, i also have use for my admin here and should not be Questioned by a troll who clearly harassed and insulted me in such a poor way, if anything Proof should remain Infintie blocked, I did want to point out According to Our code of conduct on Cocopuff wiki he has Broken multiple times and broke many of the Rules within the Wiki, and of course proof has also proken wiki Policies here along with using a proxy --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 14:57, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
@Proof: your gonna eventually give up on sockpuppeting my wiki, When will you ever give up, and what good does sockpuppeting my wiki do for you Because every sockpuppet you make on my wiki we will block it?? and also when will you stop messing up my templates they are important and your screwing them up?? --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 16:30, 7 January 2021 (UTC) and your responsible for your actions of sockpuppeting my wiki you will give up eventually and you will be blocked every time but attacking me is unacceptable and Harassments also cocopuff wiki is my wiki --Cocopuff2018 (talk) 16:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
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Advice
Bottom line first: Since your complaint concerns only off-wiki conduct, evidence should be analyzed and assessed off-wiki via e-mail or other appropriate channel and not on this page.
The general WikiPattern when user conduct needs to be scrutinized is that evidence involving on-wiki actions should be presented on-wiki, and evidence involving off-wiki conduct should be presented off-wiki. There may be occasional exceptions to this pattern (e.g. when suppression is involved) but I see no reason for one in this specific case.
I don't know all the details, nor should I know them as I am not a local functionary. The decision made by the stewards will take into account the quality of the evidence as well as the totality of the circumstances including duration, recency, severity, and the conduct of other parties. What I can tell you is that a one-off comment made two years ago that some people took the wrong way will be treated differently than an ongoing pattern of harassment that hounded a contributor away from the community last week. And yes there is a lot of ground between those two positions, and no you should not try to explain where on that continuum exactly the current situation falls on this page. Until a decision has been made any editors whose edits here have not been disruptive will be treated as would any other editor in good-standing. Once the decision is made, accept the outcome whatever that may be, and move on.
On a semi-related tangent, creating a bunch of sockpuppets to disrupt a wiki however much you dislike it or its members is a waste of everyone's time, and more your time than theirs. You can read more at WhyWikiWorks but it's been pretty conclusively proven at this point that if there is one thing all active wikis have in spades it is people who will hunt down all (perceived) sources of disruption be it spammers, flamers, vandals, trolls, or just editors who they feel don't belong; undo their work, and either block them or find someone else who will. You could argue that people who are willing to do that all day, every day are just as weird and/or crazy as the people doing the disruption in the first place, but that doesn't change the fact that they exist. The way to actually handle a wiki that is hosting copyright infringing, illegal, or other grossly inappropriate content is to either contact the ISP's through their e-mail for handling abuse or in the case of a respectable wikifarm, to just contact the central authority responsible for managing all wikis. This may not be a permanent solution when employed against a particularly determined community (the many lives and deaths of ED come immediately to mind), but it will at least make life considerably more difficult for them and shift the time wasting dynamic to one that is in your favor.
On another note, (and without knowing all the details which I should not know), wikimedia has it's own well developed systems for handling abuse that occurs off-wiki on IRC or elsewhere, and they have far greater resources to analyze, verify, and authenticate off-wiki evidence than we do.
- For issues that are specific to the enWP you may e-mail private evidence to functionaries-en@lists.wikimedia.org
- Issues involving wikimedia assets more generally should have private evidence e-mailed to stewards@wikimedia.org
- If you find the volunteer response lacking you may always escalate to the WMF's paid professionals through ca@wikimedia.org
Be assured that in the case of a WMF global ban the likelihood of a reciprocal ban here is extremely high.
To close, appropriate uses of this page include:
- Requesting an unblock.
- Asking for advice or information in general terms, such as to where a complaint should be directed.
- Directing the attention of contributors to on-wiki information when done so as to further this wiki's purpose.
Inappropriate uses of this talk page include:
- Posting private off-wiki evidence which should be handled through the appropriate channels as mentioned above.
- Continuing feuds from other wikis.
- Drama.
Thanks for your understanding. Best, Fast - ZoomZoom (talk) 18:03, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
- Per fasts comment I have restored talk page access although I would see no problem with it being re-moved if it continues. Naleksuh (talk) 08:03, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- For enwiki specific issues, email the arbitration committee at arbcom-en@wikimedia.org Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:10, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Q8j. I'm really sorry about this, genuinely, but it's mind-boggling that no one here cares that (redacted) is homophobic and has made numerous homophobic statements. Do you really want someone like him here? (PS "Fopor" is an anagram for "Proof") Also, if someone killed someone in Canada and then went to the US, would they not get arrested? (Redacted) has made homophobic comments on other wikis, that still makes him a homophobe and a bad person. I am requesting an unblock because I did nothing wrong except expose the truth. Proof (talk) 18:39, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comparing murder to getting an IRC channel ban is plain ludicrous. Justarandomamerican (talk) 19:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Unblock request declined, you just evaded a block using (likely) an open proxy. Justarandomamerican (talk) 19:39, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Comparing murder to getting an IRC channel ban is plain ludicrous. Justarandomamerican (talk) 19:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you, Q8j. I'm really sorry about this, genuinely, but it's mind-boggling that no one here cares that (redacted) is homophobic and has made numerous homophobic statements. Do you really want someone like him here? (PS "Fopor" is an anagram for "Proof") Also, if someone killed someone in Canada and then went to the US, would they not get arrested? (Redacted) has made homophobic comments on other wikis, that still makes him a homophobe and a bad person. I am requesting an unblock because I did nothing wrong except expose the truth. Proof (talk) 18:39, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
- For enwiki specific issues, email the arbitration committee at arbcom-en@wikimedia.org Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:10, 8 January 2021 (UTC)