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==UserRightsManager==
The name of the userRightsManager gadget has changed, so some users may have the tick turned off. It may be necessary to re-enable it in [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|the preferences]]. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


==Proposal==
==Systemadministrator==


Hello, I happy to here to discuss on my new proposal to make a mediawikipage for this [[User:Aviram7/js/all-in-one.js|this]] JavaScript that help to easily block and oversight or suppress the revision of block user, spammers. etc, this script is originally based on [[metawikimedia:User:WhitePhosphorus/js/all-in-one.js|User:WhitePhosphorus/js/all-in-one.js]] of metawikimedia, but this script needed to modified them, then it's script ready for use on Tesrwiki.
I would like to be a system administrator so that I can also support at system configuration level... In addition to managing permissions, I would also keep the software, extensions and skins up to date and optimise the configurations!
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It would be really nice to get a chance 🙂 [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


*I think [[User:Aviram7/js/all-in-one.js]] is move to mediawiki namespace, then add this script in gadget and allow to sysop, crats, stewards for use on you're preferences.
:Did you know how to use Git, PHP, and SSH, and you are active on this wiki? Please see [[Project:System administrators]]. Also, it would be really nice for you to be a system administrator if you know understanding of Apache and a server (MariaDB/MySQL/PostgreSQL/SQLite). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::I already work with Linux Debian since 4 years! So yes 🙂 [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Are you aware that this very high trust permission can cause great damage if it's improperly used? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 17:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
::::I am aware of this! Yes [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::So, voting by the two stewards and by some users is required. If the votes are successful, then it goes to the system administrator to grant the permission or not. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


{{Ping|MacFan4000|Dmehus|Drummingman|Justarandomamerican}}
===Voting===
Thanks ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  08:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)


:I would be fine with adding this as a gadget, but not on the common.js. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 10:10, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
====Support====


::{{Ping|X}} Hello, Well! we have no probelm, If you like more gadgets for use, please see my common. js and this gadget is very helpful, firstly please test this js and then we think what can I do later?.
====Oppose====
Thanks ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  12:41, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
*{{Oppose|Weak Oppose}} Hi, thanks for volunteering. Unfortunately, I must weakly oppose your request at this time due to lack of necessary trust or track record. I do not think you would take the site down, abuse your power in some other way, or go inactive suddenly, but you do not hold Stewardship here or administratorship elsewhere, and you don't have that long of a track record, so I cannot be sure. Consider this a moral support of sorts; I have no objection to another run in the medium-term future. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*:Like I said, I'd be happy to get a chance, and if you don't think I would abuse my power (which I wouldn't too), then what's the problem? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*::This permission is very powerful, can lock the database and have access to PHP, SSH, Git, and Github and even Apache and the server (MariaDB/MySQL/PostgreSQL/SQLite). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*::System administratorship is a very powerful position. I prefer to err on the side of caution. Can you describe your previous experience with FiveM and Minecraft servers? Do you have PHP experience? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*:::For the networks, I installed and configured web applications and Minecraft plugins [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*{{oppose}} Hi, nice that you signed up and want to get more involved, I can only appreciate that. But unfortunately, here and for this reason, I want to cast my dissenting vote. I am very reluctant to assign this role to someone I don't know well. Anyway, are you already a system administrator, steward or admin on a major wiki project somewhere? On a Wikimedia, Miraheze or other large wikifarm. On these wikis, you become one only after a thorough review and vote. To me, that is a hard requirement for a system administrator. SA has the unlimited power to shut down an entire wiki (database lock and unlock) block anyone and deny  or grant anyone user rights. Therefore, this right can only be granted to highly trusted users. Of course, this is separate from the technical side, which is also important. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 17:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*{{oppose|Strongly oppose}} It doesn't make much sense to give a user who has been a member for less than 1 month a higher level of authority than even the stewards such as the system administrator. You need to have 3 or more months of activity history. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 18:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*:Nowhere does it say anything about that... So... And is it so difficult to give someone a chance? And is it so difficult to give someone a chance? It's not really motivating [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 18:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


:This gadget would likely need to be restricted to stewards due to just how powerful it is. Being able to revert all of a users edits, delete all the pages they've created, and block them in one click is simply a lot. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 18:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
====Neutral====
*{{Neutral}} Used Linux Debian and may be trusted, but I don't know if completely trusted. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*:I would be! I have already system-administered around 20 Minecraft and FiveM networks! Sure, this has nothing to do with MediaWiki itself, but it's about the principle! As I said, I would be happy to get a chance [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
*::Possibly some enhanced trust would be needed. Try to think when you become a system administrator. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


:::X, You're right this js script is very powerful Use of this JavaScript should only be allowed by stewards and not allowed to use by any other privileged persons. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  03:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
====Comments====
::::I've commented it out of your common.js page for the moment, as it could cause some serious mayhem if used improperly. Ask me if you need a test performed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:42, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 
::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] Hello, Thank you for removing this script from my common. js, I've already performed the after adding this script on my common. js, I think this js script is more useful for the stewards. {{Thank}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  15:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 
==Replace text==
I've used it a lot in the past, and it saved a lot of time. But as of now, it's restricted to <u>stewards</u>. Why's that? [[User:Saint|Saint]] ([[User talk:Saint|talk]]) 04:43, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 
:It was found that a vandal who gained sysop rights could vandalize the [[Main Page]] or similarly important Steward protected pages using ReplaceText. I know it has a lot of utility for you, so feel free to send me a message on my talk page, or Drummingman on his with a request, ensuring that original text, new text, and namespace(s) are provided. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
::Is it possible to allow interface administrators to use it? [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 13:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
:::I suggested that to MacFan when I originally opened a security task about the issue. Me personally, I think it would be better to create a separate group that's able to use it, as IA is ''primarily'' intended to allow editing of script pages, though I am fine with bundling it in to IA (and Stewards) along with creating a separate group. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:19, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 
=='Crat sysop first requirement==
 
{{ping|EPIC|X|DR}} as interested persons.
Recently, upon DR requesting bureaucrat, they were given it without first being an administrator. EPIC removed the crat right, and X restored it, stating that the requirement was pointless. To prevent a wheel war, I think it's best to set down community consensus on the issue. What do you, the reader, think of the requirement to be a sysop before being a bureaucrat? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
 
:@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]: I've support you're thoughts, This is test wiki not Wikipedia, we are here to testing of specific permission, firstly If any new user request for both rights, then firstly grant only sysop permission but not crats, because sysop have more permission on his group, crats is most important permission on the wiki, I don't understand why both user's make editwar in removing or adding crats permission from @DR, who received both permission after reviewing his request by an other crats. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  04:24, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
::I personally think that just like on other test wikis, there should some kind of requirement before being able to request crat, either an edit requirement (maybe something like 10 edits before being able to request bureaucrat would be a fair requirement if so?), or a requirement of a specific amount of days of having sysop before requesting crat (a day or two perhaps), or maybe a mix of both of those requirements.
::The reason I think so is because unlike on other test wikis, the crat permission is quite powerful and can remove both bureaucrat and sysop rights. If it's given very liberally it can be quite dangerous. Now, I know DR from Wikimedia and they are a trusted user who I certainly don't think would abuse the bureaucrat rights, so I have nothing against them having crat. But, I don't have any intents to wheel war, the permissions have been given back and it can remain so. [[User:EPIC|EPIC]] ([[User talk:EPIC|talk]]) 08:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
:::My intention was also not to wheel war. I know EPIC mentioned some suggestions for "requirements" for the 'crat role. However, as of now, those do not exist, making the rule about being a sysop first pointless. There is some Wikimedia essay about not following the policies if doing so would prevent you from improving the site, but I can't remember what it was titled. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 11:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
:You can remove the bureaucrat right from my account since I won’t be using it. I have MediaWiki installed on my local machine for testing purposes, and I already have all the advanced rights there. Here on this test wiki, my goal is to assist others by deploying some important and useful scripts and translating help pages. Initially, I thought that crats have access to grant the interface admin right, but it appears they do not, so I no longer require this role. Could any Steward please grant the interface admin right to my account? I would like to deploy some useful gadgets. Also, for granting requirements, I believe granting the bureaucrat role should be discretionary. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 09:52, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
:We should definitely set requirements for gaining crat. It is a powerful position, and any disruptive user can easily misuse it. Since EPIC knew DR , there would not be a problem, but if a random user came and requested sysop and crat, there is a chance of vandalism or disruption. I propose that a user must wait 24 hours and make 10 edits before requesting crat rights [[User:Harvici|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#CC4E5C ; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Harvici</span>]] ([[User talk:Harvici|<span style="color:#228B22">''talk''</span>]]) 06:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
 
==Permission revocation request==
 
Hello, I am currently suffering from high powerful stress which is impairing my ability to work on test wiki and elsewhere, hence, I request the admins of test wiki to please remove my sysop + crats permission on my account, I will try to come back and edit here. Thanks to all the editors of test wiki for giving me a chance to test the tools of sysop and crats and I hope I have not broken any rules and regulations of test wiki.. {{Thanks}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  04:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 
:{{d}} — You are free to reapply for user permissions when you return. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 08:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 
== Interface Right  ==
 
Hello everyone, I try to re- modifying Twinkle tool for use, but I don't think Twinkle Tool are working on Test Wiki; If you like I like to fix Twinkle tool for working on Test Wiki, so, I needed, please grant me Interface right for permanently for successfully complete this work.{{Thank}} ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  16:46, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
: I think that for the moment you can rework this script into personal subpages and we will see later about the rights because other interface admins will be able to add it as a gadget.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 16:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
::{{Ping|DodoMan}} Hello, Do you know Twinkle Tool are not currently available in gadgets section and it's subpages are not currently exist here, We recreating those pages and interface admin right are more help to edit and create js pages on Test Wiki.Cheers!~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  17:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Aviram7}}Yes I know the tool it’s inavailable but you can rework script on your subpages. At worst, I will create these mediawiki pages and rework them with you. And also you need to request rights to Test Wiki:Request Permissions.[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 17:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 
:::{{re|DodoMan}} That's Great! well I going to request for Interface permission on request page and try to creating twinkle subpages on userspace and I beleive our hard struggle will be positive result proved.~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  17:33, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 
::::I requested for Interface permission on [[TW:RfP]]. ~~ <span style="background-color:magenta; padding: 2px 5px 1px 5px">[[User:Aviram7|<span style="color:white">αvírαm</span>]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Aviram7|(tαlk)]]</span>  17:40, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 
== Filter 120 ==
 
I propose converting it to an abusive username prevention filter. Any objections? [[User:Codename Norte|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Norte'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Norte|<span style="color:#0a13ad">talk</span>]] 15:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

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The name of the userRightsManager gadget has changed, so some users may have the tick turned off. It may be necessary to re-enable it in the preferences. LisafBia (talk) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Systemadministrator

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I would like to be a system administrator so that I can also support at system configuration level... In addition to managing permissions, I would also keep the software, extensions and skins up to date and optimise the configurations!

It would be really nice to get a chance 🙂 Justman10000 (talk) 16:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Did you know how to use Git, PHP, and SSH, and you are active on this wiki? Please see Project:System administrators. Also, it would be really nice for you to be a system administrator if you know understanding of Apache and a server (MariaDB/MySQL/PostgreSQL/SQLite). Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) 17:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I already work with Linux Debian since 4 years! So yes 🙂 Justman10000 (talk) 17:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Are you aware that this very high trust permission can cause great damage if it's improperly used? Codename Noreste 🤔 La Suma 17:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am aware of this! Yes Justman10000 (talk) 17:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So, voting by the two stewards and by some users is required. If the votes are successful, then it goes to the system administrator to grant the permission or not. Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) 17:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  •  Weak Oppose Hi, thanks for volunteering. Unfortunately, I must weakly oppose your request at this time due to lack of necessary trust or track record. I do not think you would take the site down, abuse your power in some other way, or go inactive suddenly, but you do not hold Stewardship here or administratorship elsewhere, and you don't have that long of a track record, so I cannot be sure. Consider this a moral support of sorts; I have no objection to another run in the medium-term future. Justarandomamerican (talk) 17:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Like I said, I'd be happy to get a chance, and if you don't think I would abuse my power (which I wouldn't too), then what's the problem? Justman10000 (talk) 17:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    This permission is very powerful, can lock the database and have access to PHP, SSH, Git, and Github and even Apache and the server (MariaDB/MySQL/PostgreSQL/SQLite). Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk) 17:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    System administratorship is a very powerful position. I prefer to err on the side of caution. Can you describe your previous experience with FiveM and Minecraft servers? Do you have PHP experience? Justarandomamerican (talk) 17:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    For the networks, I installed and configured web applications and Minecraft plugins Justman10000 (talk) 17:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Oppose Hi, nice that you signed up and want to get more involved, I can only appreciate that. But unfortunately, here and for this reason, I want to cast my dissenting vote. I am very reluctant to assign this role to someone I don't know well. Anyway, are you already a system administrator, steward or admin on a major wiki project somewhere? On a Wikimedia, Miraheze or other large wikifarm. On these wikis, you become one only after a thorough review and vote. To me, that is a hard requirement for a system administrator. SA has the unlimited power to shut down an entire wiki (database lock and unlock) block anyone and deny or grant anyone user rights. Therefore, this right can only be granted to highly trusted users. Of course, this is separate from the technical side, which is also important. Drummingman (talk) 17:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  •  Strongly oppose It doesn't make much sense to give a user who has been a member for less than 1 month a higher level of authority than even the stewards such as the system administrator. You need to have 3 or more months of activity history. LisafBia (talk) 18:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Nowhere does it say anything about that... So... And is it so difficult to give someone a chance? And is it so difficult to give someone a chance? It's not really motivating Justman10000 (talk) 18:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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