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==UserRightsManager==
The name of the userRightsManager gadget has changed, so some users may have the tick turned off. It may be necessary to re-enable it in [[Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets|the preferences]]. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)


=="Grace Period"==
:We encourage bureaucrats, if you have last edited before June 2024, to re-enable its preferences. This user {{Support|supports}} this decision. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 
Greetings,
 
I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to draw your attention to an ongoing discussion on the [[User talk:Euphoria]] page regarding the [[Test_Wiki:Inactivity_policy|Inactivity Policy]]. The conversation involves myself, {{Ping|X}}, {{Ping|Justarandomamerican}}, and {{Ping|AlPaD}}.
 
It appears that both "X" and "Justarandomamerican" hold the view that a "grace period" exists within the Test Wiki's process for removing permissions. However, it is important to note that no such provision is mentioned in the policy itself.
 
I have noticed numerous instances where "X" has repeatedly removed rights without following the established procedure, prompting my intervention to revert those actions.
 
I kindly request the community to provide their opinions on this matter, as I firmly believe that our actions should align with the guidelines outlined in the policy, rather than making assumptions based on its omissions.
 
Thank you for your attention and cooperation.
 
Best regards,
[[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:25, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
:Obviously, I {{support}} the ability for bureaucrats to use grace periods to remove rights for a number of reasons.
#It notifies the user of their inactivity through email and allows them to regain their rights sooner, almost like a reminder if they forgot about the wiki.
#It allows inactive users to quickly regain their rights if they come back. Bureaucrat can just assign them back permanently and admins can just request it be made indefinite.
#If they don’t return to activity, it is a convenient way to remove rights, and the outcome is the same. The rights are removed on the same day.
 
[[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
:Whilst I {{support}} grace periods as a common sense measure, I do not understand what causes the absolute letter of policy, rather than the spirit, to be followed. The inactivity policy provides for removal of rights from inactive users. That is it. It does not explicitly disallow grace periods. Disallowing administration in the absence of policy by wheel warring is, more or less, making this wiki appear to be a [[wikipedia: Wikipedia:NOTBUREAUCRACY|bureaucracy when it is not]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
::You both need to follow the policy, same as anyone else. Nobody has has decided that a "grace period" is necessary, so why should you? Even so, before making decisions like that, a vote should be made here, on the community portal. I'll be expecting a response from {{Ping|Dmehus}} to confirm my reports. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:49, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 
:::Please explain to me how we are violating policy. You have said that we are, so explain it. What policy am I violating by setting grace periods? The policy states that a users rights will be removed after 3 months of no edits/logged actions, and that is what I am doing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
:::{{Ping|Justarandomamerican}}, Expanding on your assertion regarding the absence of an explicit prohibition of grace periods, it is worth noting that there is also no explicit endorsement. Consequently, one must question the justification for unilaterally modifying the policy at will. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 18:52, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
::::Does policy state that I can login? Does policy state that I can edit? Does policy state that I can breathe? No, but that doesn’t mean you can’t do it. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
 
::::Again, this wiki is [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:NOTBUREAUCRACY|not a bureaucracy where rules providing for something must be made, and rules providing for something disallow all other handling of a situation]], so administration in the absence of policy is allowed. We are not modifying rules, merely maintaining this wiki in the absence of them. The spirit of the Inactivity Policy does not disallow grace periods, in consequence. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::Again, you are modifying the rules by doing whatever you see fit. Clearly, we are at a crossroads and so, I'll leave this to Dmehus and/or {{Ping|Drummingman}} to decide. 18:59, 27 May 2023 (UTC) {{unsigned|Sav}}
::::::What rules are being modified? Policy states to remove rights after 3 months of not actions or edits. We have not altered this in anyway. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
As I said above, I am not in favor of an "already lengthwise truncated user rights" where admin/crat rights are already truncated. I find that impolite and not inviting to test here. But giving a warning on the users' own talk page about 2 weeks in advance, "beware you are approaching the activity criteria", is sufficient as far as I am concerned.  But what I find worse is wheel warfare with each other. I urge the users involved not to overrule each other and look for consensus. If you still can't come to a consensus, ask the stewards to get involved, and then do nothing until the steward has made a decision. Keep your head cool and let's keep it nice with each other. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
:Hi, {{Ping|Drummingman}}. To put simply, that means no grace period, correct? We are okay to issue a friendly warning stating "You are approaching the activity criteria" yes? Regards. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:37, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
:As far as I am aware, this is a community discussion, and a Steward's decision is not final, as this wiki's decision making mechanism is not autocracy. We should continue to discuss this matter. I disagree as to it being unfriendly: How is it unfriendly when they are immediately notified by email and have a chance to request the rights be made permanent? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
::I agree. Stewards don’t hold seniority in discussions. This is a community discussion. I also agree with Justa that it isn’t unfriendly. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:46, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
:::Regardless if you don't like the decision, Drummingman has given the answer and until Mac or Dmehus gives their input, we should follow what Drummingman stated. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
::::Elected Stewards have no say in community discussion besides what all other members of the community have, and their decisions are merely temporary dispute resolution. We shall continue to discuss this. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:51, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::What I would like to add here is that this is my own opinion, not a direct "steward decision" but a user who is also a steward. I have not talked to the other stewards about this yet. Moreover, I also think it is important to hear your opinions on this. So, this is not a final decision yet. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
::::::Thank you for correcting my assumption that you were acting under the color of your authority to resolve disputes. That was a wrong assumption. Thank you again, [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::::You're welcome. {{Ping|X}}. I really hope you stay active. Your work has been good so far. Don't let this discourage you. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
::::::::I won’t. I just really hate conflict. I think that grace periods should just be optional. You can do them if you want, but you don’t have to use them either. This is a good compromise. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:24, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::{{Ping|X}} That sounds good. I don't like conflict, either :-). What is most important to me is to respect each other's authority and not start a wheel war over this. I look forward to your opinions, feel free to add anything? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:54, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::I agree. This isn’t really that important, and to wheel war about it was admittedly futile. I don’t think I have much more to add besides grace periods are an optional part of bureaucrat revoking rights. You can close this, if you wish. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:02, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
*{{oppose}} I believe that inactive users should be notified 1-2 weeks before their rights are removed but their rights should not be temporary, they should be removed completely after 3 months. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 06:49, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
*{{Comment}} I support Drummingman‘s opinion. Anyone can('''≠'''must) give inactive user warning like ‘Your rights will be removed in 2 weeks unless’…, and it’s more kind.
*Regarding ‘Grace period’, I’m not inclined to support this. because
**If you set an inactive user's rights to expire and then they or requested crats revert them, they'll end up with two user rights logs. I don't like unnecessarily increasing logs and complicating records, except in cases where it can't be helped, such as adding a test group or adding a Bot flag instead of a Flood flag. As per Drummingman's opinion, if you give advance notice and the user edits in the meantime, there is no need to remove the rights, so there is no need for logs.
**If it is chosen to set the expiration date of the rights instead of the permission removal notice on the talk page, the user must extend the rights himself or ask bureaucrats to do so. Whether or not it is a big deal depends on the person, but the only thing that is required in order not to be removed by Inactive Policy is 'edits or logged actions'. If you use the method of setting a expiry on the rights, for example, a user who only edits one week after the expiry is set will have the rights removed one week later. Is this in line with the spirit of the 'Inactive Policy'? (It is a different story if the user who set the expiry is responsible for confirming that it will not happen.)--[[User:Q8j|Q8j]] ([[User talk:Q8j|talk]]) 09:43, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
*I am honestly fine with having a grace period - it seems perfectly reasonable. That being said I do see that there is "edit warring" (with user rights) related to this. This needs to stop. Things should have been discussed further here instead of continuing to edit war. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 14:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
*:I am inclined to agree with you: Further wheel warring should be sanctioned. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
*::I am happy to compromise and agree that an inactive user warning could be issued, but not a "grace period" as Justarandomamerican suggested; it just complicates the matter as Q8j stated. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 03:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
*:::Expanding upon my previous statement, I would support the inclusion of a grace period. However, I suggest implementing a courtesy warning prior to initiating the grace period. This would allow users to be notified in advance. If no edits are made within 48 hours following the warning, the grace period may be implemented. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 05:59, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
*::::I would be fine with that, but I think 24hrs would be more appropriate. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:38, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
*:::::24hrs is fine with me. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 21:00, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
*::::::I also agree with you. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*:::::::I also now agree to allow a non-mandatory grace period. And also to wait at least 24 hours before it takes effect. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 11:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 
==CU Request==
Hello, may a steward, perhaps [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], check and see if my recent range block on 38.153.169.128/25 would affect legitimate users? Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:33, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
:What I can see is that the IP-range is an open proxy/VPN. That falls under [[Test Wiki:Proxy policy|no open proxy policy]], so can just be blocked. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 12:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 12:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
:::Preferably, it open proxies [rfc:2119 ''should''] be soft-blocked, so no existing users are affected. :) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 05:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
::::I would soft-block if this were a open proxy with no history of abuse, but given that the range is used for spam, I hard-blocked it. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:51, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 
==Extension of stewardship flag==
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With the new proposal below, I '''withdraw''' my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 
Dear, community, talking to the other 2 stewards, I wondered if the steward group could get permission to permanently bundle the user flags suppression and checkuser into the stewards flag? Then we could also see and check each other's actions faster, which is also a core policy on [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser_policy#Appointing_local_CheckUsers Wikimedia] for those flags, [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy 2]. In short, this means that checkusser and suppression would thus be linked by default to the steward group. Which is partly already so, but now we have to temporarily assign the right to ourselves each time. Which I actually don't find very convenient, which is why I'm asking the community if you are comfortable with that? I would like to hear your opinions? Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
:'''Conditional '''{{support}}. Although, this does lose the community some knowledge of when checks are performed. If this change is made, stewards must frequently review the checkuser logs for accountability. If the stewards promise to do so, I support. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 22:26, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
::Of course: that is also one of the reasons why I request this extension of the flag. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{Oppose}}. CU and OS are a group of very sensitive rights, which means that high transparency is required. It is perfectly fine to briefly assign either of the rights with a small specific reason for assigning, so that the community can see what the tools are used for. This change erases this transparency, which is not good. — [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:37, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{support}} otherwise stewards can't see what the other stewards are doing when they self assign suppression/checkuser to themselves, which is a bit dodgy. Also, someone could make up a reason and nobody would really notice. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Partially''' {{Support}} I think it would be better to add the permissions to the "stewards" group but I think the CU and OS groups should not be removed, because I believe it will be possible to promote users in CU and OS after vote like fortestwiki.myht.org. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 05:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Neutral, leaning''' {{Oppose}} '''as written''' While I can appreciate it might be a bit cumbersome to add a <code>checkuser</code> or <code>oversight</code> hat, I also appreciate the value in the public transparency this provides. As well, X makes a supportive case for adding <code>checkuser-log</code> to the Steward group, which I could likely support, but I ''do'' think there is value in retaining the CU and OS groups as AlPaD describes above. For now, I would recommend no action at this point, on this proposal, but we could consider a subsequent proposal in the near- to medium-term future (i.e., 30-90 days after closing) to add the <code>checkuser-log</code> user right to the <code>steward</code> group. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 19:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
*:Yeah. I think add checkuser log to the steward group and keep the current groups existing separate. That’s how it’s done on most wikis, I think. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
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==Inactivity for AFAs==
Should inactivity for [[Test Wiki:Abuse filter administrators|AFAs]] be measured in regular terms, or should it be measured by the last time an abuse filter was modified by an AFA, or perhaps even the last time a filter was modified to use a restricted action or a restricted filter was modified? I'd like to know consensus on this before I go and modify the [[TW: inactivity policy| inactivity policy]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)


==Account rename==
:I would choose when the last time some AFA modified a regular abuse filter (without restricted actions). [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 02:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|MacFan4000}}, could you rename my account to "Summer"? Thanks! [[User:Summer|Summer]] <sup>[[User talk:Summer|talk]]</sup> 12:39, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
:We don't have a bot for it yet? That checks for inactivity? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 17:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
::Nope. It's a manual process. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Would be at least 3 months at least I can suggest. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 12:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
:Abuse Filter Manager is less security-sensitive than Interface Administrator, which is entirely within Steward purview and generally accepted of at least 30 days of inactivity within relevant areas.
:I would suggest the 3 month time limit proposed by Tailsultimatefan3891 is sufficient, but would add that it would be activity within [[Special:AbuseFilter]], not ''any'' wiki activity. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::However, if it is determined that an abuse filter admin made their latest active action editing an abuse filter, also an bureaucrat, and administrator, and inactive for at least 3 months regardless of abuse filter activity or wiki activity, then all rights would be revocated. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm {{support}} with 3 months [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 20:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Fair point, Tailsultimatefan3891, but I'd still favour codifying that is limited activity within the AbuseFilter space, as we could eventually subsequently amend the inactivity requirements for Bureaucrat and/or Administrator to, say, 6 months (I'd probably favour keeping Bureaucrat at 3 months and increase Administrator to 6 months, though). Also, while unlikely, it's ''possible'' someone may ''only'' request the AbuseFilter Manager permission. [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 23:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
::::I'm saying to increase steward inactivity to 9 months, because you said to increase Administrator to 6 months. Also, System administrator rights can be re-granted within 6 hours of revocation due to inactivity, and steward rights can be re-granted within 24 hours of revocation due to inactivity. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 13:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::Steward activity is currently set at 12 months, though. I think that's fair. System Administrator used to have either no inactivity limit or a 12 month limit. I think it should have an inactivity limit, but 12 months is fair.
:::::Administrator - 6 months
:::::Bureaucrat - 3-6 months (I support either, but maybe prefer 3 months)
:::::Steward - 12 months
:::::System Administrator - 12 months
:::::Interface Administrator - it's a steward-granted user group, so steward discretion applies, but generally speaking, the convention has been for 30 days of activity requiring the permission in MediaWiki or User namespace (i.e., other than their own userspace) [[User:Dmehus|Dmehus]] ([[User talk:Dmehus|talk]]) 18:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::Doug and TUF, I believe this would best be another discussion on a new thread, given that we've already come to a consensus on AFA inactivity (3 months of no abuse filter related activity). [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)


==Shorten Steward/system admin inactivity==
==Suppression Reports==
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'''Withdrawn''', no consensus. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 18:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
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I propose shortening the steward and system administrator inactivity time to encourage them to be more actively involved in the wiki. Arguably, they should be held to a stricter activity standards than admins/crats. I’m not sure what length is appropriate, so I’d like to hear the community thoughts. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 04:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)


:{{oppose}} for now - This encounters practical problems. We are a small community with only 3 stewards and 1 system administrator. Especially in the case of the SA, there is no one else who has the rights. Stewards cannot grant and retake the rights, for example. And what do you do when you only have 1 steward left. In other words, this can become negotiable if you have more stewards and system administrators; otherwise it is not feasible, and you run the risk of having no stewards and system administrators anymore. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 07:20, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Not sure if this was ever officially announced, but you can go to [[Special:Report/REVID]] to report a revision that needs suppressed. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, that’s a risk I hadn’t considered. But then a steward that makes 1 edit every year maintains their rights, but is no longer helping the wiki. '''I have changed this proposal to only include stewards until we have >1 system admin.''' [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 10:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Personally, I agree with your idea that stewards should be active members of the community. I think much of my objection could be eliminated if the stewards, like system administrators, could change all user permissions. (On Wikimedia, stewards can do that too.) That also reduces the risk if the sole SA for some reason steps down or stops doing edits and there is no one  to replace them. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
::::I don’t know what the best answer is. I really doubt that @[[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] would stop editing on the wiki and not appoint a replacement system admin. And if they do, we could always contact them cross-wiki about needing another system admin. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::I think you could be right, but something unexpected can always happen, Unless a second system administrator is added, as far as I know, having 1 system administrator is a potential security risk for the site. You cannot replace him; therefore, which is why I think it's better to have more people (stewards and system admins) who can manage all permissions. Of course, you have to watch out for rogue individuals. But that is manageable if you only appoint strongly trusted people for the flags. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
::::::I find this interesting. Could we chat further on Discord about this, in a real-time format? Whats your Discord username? [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::::My discord is Drummingman, also on IRC. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:49, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{oppose}} per Drummingman. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 18:39, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
::Sorry, I should have already said this, but this thread is withdrawn. Drummingman and I already talked on Discord about possible actions we need to take before implementing this. I would oppose this now too. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 18:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
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:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it</b>. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.''</div>


==Alternate proposal: Merging CheckUser and oversight to steward==
:When I installed the extension, I announced it on Discord, but never made an announcement here. *facepalm* [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*sigh* *ahem*</nowiki> I agree on this feature. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 21:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
::You’re fine, no problem! [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 21:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:It's also included in the newsletter :) [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
::Cool, right? {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 17:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


Hello community! I’d like to propose an alternative to the proposal above about merging the rights. Here’s what I’d propose:
==Welcoming users==
*Stewards are granted the suppression-log, view suppressed, and CheckUser-log rights for accountability;
We should welcome a newly-registered user when they make their first edit. Not before, but after. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 01:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
*The CheckUser and Suppressor groups remain existent and aren’t removed;
This would allow for accountability amongst stewards and still allow non/stewards to be granted those rights if absolutely necessary. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)


:{{support}} - That seems like a good and better proposal, which is why I withdrew my proposal. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 15:20, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{Support|Clear support}}. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 15:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{Support}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{support}} as proposer. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:58, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{oppose}} viewsuppressed as it poses a confidentiality risk, {{support}} the rest. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::Could you elaborate what you mean by “confidentiality risk”? @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] requested I add “view suppressed” to list via Discord, so you may want to discuss with him. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:::The reason I want to include view suppressed is that the logs already show a (partially) suppressed version, but to check each other properly you need view suppressed, and otherwise you have to add suppression yourself. The rest has to do with trusting the stewards to keep suppressed versions secret, which hopefully is already the case. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 13:21, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{support}}: per proposer. Whether non-stewards should be granted CU or SU is a question I will pose in another proposal if this one succeeds. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


==Requests for stewardship X==
==Translations into Chinese==
Hi. I've been doing some translations lately and was wondering which variant of Chinese to translate to. Currently most pages are translated into regional dialects, such as zh-cn and zh-tw. What I think would be better is to translate only into zh-hans (simplified Chinese) and zh-hant (traditional Chinese) in order to reduce redundancy, as all Chinese dialects use one of the two character systems. Any thoughts? <span style="font-family:monospace;">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]]) 10:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


===Nomination===
:Well I think you should translate into the more popular dialect [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 12:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
:Honestly, I think that we should only do the two main variants of Chinese (Traditional and Simplified). Regional dialects complicate things.. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
::I lightly and honestly will {{Oppose|oppose}} reducing the variants of Chinese. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 21:25, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
:::For what reason? Regional dialects can be broken down into the two main dialects of Chinese. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
::::For some reason, variants of Chinese may be spoken may be many people, such as some people may speak a partial of Traditional and Simplified Chinese, they are multiple dialects of Chinese, 3 dialects of Chinese may be said by a person while others speak mainly only 1 dialect. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 11:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


Dear, community, I would hereby like to nominate user X as Steward.
==Community Vote==
{{atop|result={{done}} per consensus below, now moved to [[Template:Emergency-bot-block]]. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 07:29, 31 July 2024 (UTC) }}


It has now been a little over a month since X applied for Steward. Meanwhile, I see that X has developed positively and is very active. I think X could help the steward team with Test Wiki maintenance, so that an active steward is available more often to help this wiki. For example, to close community discussions that are still open. I hope you will join me in supporting X. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:33, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Good afternoon, everyone.
<br>I request a vote on the following proposal: When a bot is created, [<nowiki/>[User:Sav/Templates/Emergency-user-block|this]] template could be automatically added to their user page. The process would check for accounts with the 'bot' permission and confirm whether or not the user page has content. If it does, the template would be placed at the top; if it doesn’t, the template would be placed regardless. The template is a quick and easy way to block bot accouts that may not be functioning properly. Thank you for your consideration. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 15:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)


'''User X, please indicate here whether you accept the nomination?'''
:Yes, I accept the nomination and sincerely thank Drummingman for his kind words. If a steward thinks I can assist the steward team, then I am up for it. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
===Support===
===Support===
*<s>{{Support}} as candidate. I'm very active here and want to help out the current steward team. Ive performed most of the permissions requests since I joined the wiki, and Drumminman thinks I can help as a steward. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 14:37, 27 June 2023 (UTC)</s>
*{{support}} Why not? --[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 12:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
::Struck as you cannot !vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:43, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{support}} Don't see any problems with this.... --[[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Unstruck. A steward will decide that when closing. There is no policy saying you cannot. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:12, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{support}} Makes sense to me. --[[User:Bonnedav|Bonnedav]] ([[User talk:Bonnedav|talk]]) 06:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
::::No, but it's obvious, your support is automatically counted, it's common sense that you shouldn't vote for yourself, I'm going to strike it again as it's good practise to not vote for yourself. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 15:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{support}} I agree with this. --[[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 23:29, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::As it is not forbidden by policy, you should go to the talk page for consensus instead of redoing your edit. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{support|Clear support}} No complaints from this template. --{{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 15:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::And in addition, it appears that in the past users have voted for themselves, most recently @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] in his successful RFS. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 15:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Deleting pages randomly isn't forbidden, but frowned upon, you started the edit war by reinstating a reversed edit.  [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 17:45, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::::::::We both know that unstriking votes and randomly deleting pages are 2 very different things. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 19:07, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::No, my point is it doesn't say explicitly it's forbidden, but you get disciplined for it. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{Support}} Why not? I also think X can be trusted with the rights and responsibilities of a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 14:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{support}} - As the nominator. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:43, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{Support}} Has done a good job on For-Test and is trustworthy [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 14:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{Support}} Trusted user, thank you for your help! [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 15:39, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
*Heavy {{Support}}. Trusted user, incredibly helpful and can be trusted with the rights. Good luck![[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{support}} why not? [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 05:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:<s>Moved to oppose. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:08, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s>
*{{Support}} [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 21:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


===Oppose===
===Oppose===
*{{Oppose}} I don't think we need a new steward. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 06:49, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
*:Hello @[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]]! Thanks for commenting on my stewardship request. I completely agree with the point you make. We don’t really '''NEED''' a new steward currently, but in my opinion, it would be very helpful. And considering that one of the stewards, @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]], agrees with the need for another steward, it’s probably best to elect one. I’m not attempting to sway your opinion, just provide you with another point of view you might not have considered. Thanks for reading my long comment, sometimes I don’t know how to be less verbose. :) [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
*{{Oppose}} per LisafBia, and on other wikis, they have inadvertently leaked IP addresses when blocking users and the underlying IPs. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 07:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::This is simply untrue. I didn’t “inadvertently leak” IPs. I blocked the IPs of blocked users after a steward discussion. {{ping|Justarandomamerican}} can tell you that he agreed with the actions, I was just the one who performed them. And with our updated privacy policy to exempt socks, the actions are policy supported too. In addition, our community just reviewed the actions and thought they were appropriate. You were the only one who disagreed. I can definitely see how it would come off that way, but this was a carefully discussed action that the stewards thought needed to be taken. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 11:11, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Yes, but IPs were still released, whether it was permitted or not is a different question, and I'm leaving my vote as is, and we don't '''need''' a new steward in any case. [[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] ([[User talk:Zippybonzo|talk]]) 13:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
::::The argument that IPs that were released on another wiki after discussion to block them in order to prevent disruption doesn't seem to be taking the circumstances here into consideration. This is a wiki that permits Stewards to go beyond just releasing IPs to block them. It's fine if you oppose based on need, that's okay. But using the argument explained above as a secondary argument still doesn't make it a good argument. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)</s>


===Neutral===
===Neutral===
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===Questions===
===Questions===


===Result===
===Comments===
This has been put before the community previously. See [[Test Wiki:Community portal/Archive 8#Proposed amendment to Test Wiki:Bots]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 10:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:It has indeed, however this time it seems to have more consensus and support. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 04:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}


==[[User:Example]]==
==[[Special:PageLanguage]] enabled==
Multiple groups have the pagelang permission, but the page wasn't enabled until I set $wgPageLanguageUseDB to true. You can now change page languages. The default is still English. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)


Greetings, {{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Ping|dmehus}}.
==Rename==
Steward can rename rafdodobot on DodoBot please. Thanks --[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 19:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}} [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 09:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)


I have a query regarding tracking and identifying individuals who have accessed a particular user account and conducted unauthorized activities, specifically acts of vandalism. Considering the recent blocks on the user in question, I believe it is important to determine the individuals responsible for such actions. Is there a feasible method to achieve this? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 02:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
==[[MediaWiki:Gadget-OnlineAdmins.js]] edited==
OnlineAdmins.js has been edited slightly to reflect formatting, you may need to reinstall this gadget. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 03:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:There has been one final change to the code, please reinstall this gadget to reflect the changes. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 06:39, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:I honestly think we should just replace this with [[mw:Extension:WhosOnline]]. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 07:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
::Putting on my sysadmin hat here, to say that this has been previously rejected, and I will probably reject it again. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 09:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Possibly, Gadget-OnlineAdmins.js and WhosOnline should be implemented altogether. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)


:I don’t think any action is needed at this time, considering the account hasn’t edited since March. If the account were to start vandalizing again, a CheckUser may want to take a look, but now I’m not sure it’s needed. However, it’s ultimately up to the stewards. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 02:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
==Abuse filter to prevent legal threats==
::I agree with X. CU also no longer makes sense because the logs are only kept for 90 days. However, I did block the account indefinitely as a Steward action because it is indeed a site risk. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 14:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


==Block proxy [[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]]==
I had implemented filter 164 to prevent legal threats and I also tried testing filter 164 by using filter 165 but it didn't work. Would you help me on this? {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 11:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)


Status: {{done}}
:I implemented another abuse filter, numbered 166, leaving that more simple. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
*[[Special:Block/159.89.228.253|159.89.228.253]] - A SOCKS4 open proxy. Port for this proxy is 38172. I am not an admin. Requested 19:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC).
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]])


==Block numberous proxies==
==API==


<b>Status:</b> {{partially done|Mostly done}}, {{in progress|98.188.47.132's block in progress}}
what is the url of the API(for creating DodoBot)[[User:DodoBot|DodoBot]] ([[User talk:DodoBot|talk]]) 09:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)


I am not an admin.
:See https://mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]
*[[Special:Block/107.181.230.227|107.181.230.227]]
*[[Special:Block/143.47.185.211|143.47.185.211]]
[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:07, 30 June 2023 (UTC)


Also block: [[Special:Block/13.81.217.201|13.81.217.201]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
==Proposal to modify the block durations for filter 92==


:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
As the title says, I propose modifying the block durations (IP addresses and accounts) from three months down to whatever block duration limit (whether shorter or not) is appropriate. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 03:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC)


Also block: [[Special:Block/51.38.191.151|51.38.191.151]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:09, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
==MediaWiki internal error on [[Special:SpecialPages]]==


:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
[b3226bde47e2affaf7622a8e] /wiki/Special:SpecialPages TypeError: Cannot assign APCUBagOStuff to property MediaWiki\Extension\Translate\Statistics\LanguageStatsSpecialPage::$cache of type Wikimedia\ObjectCache\BagOStuff
Backtrace:
from /var/www/html/extensions/Translate/src/Statistics/LanguageStatsSpecialPage.php(84)
#0 /var/www/html/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory.php(240): MediaWiki\Extension\Translate\Statistics\LanguageStatsSpecialPage->__construct()
#1 /var/www/html/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory.php(149): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory::getObjectFromSpec()
#2 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1501): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory->createObject()
#3 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1539): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->getPage()
#4 /var/www/html/includes/specials/SpecialSpecialPages.php(64): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->getUsablePages()
#5 /var/www/html/includes/specials/SpecialSpecialPages.php(53): MediaWiki\Specials\SpecialSpecialPages->getPageGroups()
#6 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(719): MediaWiki\Specials\SpecialSpecialPages->execute()
#7 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1669): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPage->run()
#8 /var/www/html/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(504): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath()
#9 /var/www/html/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(145): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->performRequest()
#10 /var/www/html/includes/MediaWikiEntryPoint.php(199): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->execute()
#11 /var/www/html/index.php(58): MediaWiki\MediaWikiEntryPoint->run()
#12 {main}
{{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 22:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)


Also block: [[Special:Block/162.144.233.16|162.144.233.16]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:13, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]]
:You could try modifying the LanguageStatsSpecialPage.php file at line 84, where the cache assignment occurs, to handle the cache object
:if ($cache instanceof Wikimedia\ObjectCache\BagOStuff) {
:$this->cache = $cache;
:} else {
:// Handle error or set default cache.
:}
:But before that, check if the translation extension is compatible with the the MW version because of now-translation extension >= 1.42.0 [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:24, 27 August 2024 (UTC)


:{{done}} [[User:X|X]] performed a range block including this, and a individual block for this proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:17, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
==Steward==
{{atop|result={{Not done}} - Retired (Giving up) --[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 18:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)}}
Even though not too much time has passed, I am still candidate as steward... Let's face it, there is simply nothing or hardly anything left for me to do and I rather could prove myself as steward than as bureaucrat! I could also help better as steward...


Also block: [[Special:Block/72.195.34.59|72.195.34.59]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
I hope for a chance... [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)


:{{Done}} performed by [[User:X|X]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
===Support===


Also block: [[Special:Block/98.188.47.132|98.188.47.132]]. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 22:12, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
===Oppose===
 
*{{Oppose}} We currently have '''{{color|red|4}}''' Stewards, with 2 being active ([[Special:Log/Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] & [[Special:Log/Drummingman|Drummingman]]). Alongside this, your reasoning of '''Let's face it, there is simply nothing or hardly anything left for me to do and I rather could prove myself as steward than as bureaucrat!''' does not reflect a clear understanding of the Steward role. Instead, it suggests an interest in [[wp:Wikipedia:Hat_collecting|hat collecting]], rather than having a clear understand of what a Steward does. Good luck with your request! [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 09:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
==Proxy bot==
*:As I wrote below, no steward, nothing to do! [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 11:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
 
*::You're clearly not understanding what a Steward does, Justman. You don't just apply for Stewardship because you are "bored" or "have nothing to do". [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 11:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
<b>Status:</b> {{not done}}
*:::No, but I would also do what stewards do [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 14:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
 
*:::Besides, I want to be a system administrator! And since one said that it was helpful to be a steward first... [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
===Nomination===
*::There is plenty to do without having the steward tools. You can continue to translate pages into German, which is of great importance. Test Wiki is multilingual, and your efforts are valued as a translator. You can fight the occasional vandalism and spam that comes through. Beyond non-test actions, you can also keep testing the admin and bureaucrat tools! See what you can do with them. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 13:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi, This is a nomination from Tailsultimatefan3891. Can any administrator have a proxy bot? It's the same, but with slight differences. Instead of blocking proxies manually, it's now automatically. It prevents proxies from further disruption and protects the wiki from disruption from proxies. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
*:::It won't take long, then I won't have anything left to translate either [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
 
*{{oppose}} I don't think that you understand the policies well, and [[User:Sav|Sav]]'s point is also valid. Steward right is a right that requires great dedication and knowledge. It also requires the user to be trustworthy. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 10:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Note: Uses [[Special:Block]] to block proxies. The bot will check proxies at this link: [http://free-proxy.cz/en/]. Then will copy the selected IP and paste the selected IP at the "User/IP" section. Then it will block the proxy. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:22, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
*:If one don't try, one won't find out! And as I already said in my candidacy, as a bureaucrat I have nothing more to do! And just sitting dumb around is not the sence either. [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 11:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
 
:Please link the code. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:24, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
::What does it mean? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:::A bot needs code to run… [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
 
===Signature that belongs to the user that will own the proxy bot===
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===Username for the proxy bot===
*{{oppose}}: Stewards privileges is very sensitive and most important role than other privileges, I believe other stewards are doing her job and not need to grant stewardship to others users.Happy testing!---''<span style="background:#7B68EE;border:1px solid #FF00FF;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Kiteretsu|<span style="color:#FFD700">kítєrєtѕu</span>]]•[[User talk:Kiteretsu|<span style="color:#00FA9A">[@píng mє]</span>]]</span>'' 16:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
<!--Must contain "proxy" and "bot" or "script", either in uppercase, lowercase, or capital.-->


===Support===
*{{oppose}} and suggest a restriction for Justman10000 on opening another RfS that wastes volunteer/community time. This request shows a lack of understanding of the role of stewards and does not give me confidence in the candidate. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 16:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
<!---- Place *{{Support}} here with your signature ---->
 
===Oppose===
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===Neutral===
===Neutral===
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{{abot}}


===Comments===
==Grace periods==
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One of my pet peeves is that people are establishing the grace period for users' rights too early. People should wait a little longer to do it so that the day of the new grace period and expiration date are close to each other. Thus, I might revert the grace period that was added to [[User:London|London]]'s rights earlier today, despite the expiration date being entirely correct, but too far from today. But, with grace periods (PLUS CORRECTIONS) comes an [[Special:Log/rights|extremely clogged log]] so likely I won't this time.
*{{Comment}} Please provide code bot will use to run. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 20:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
**I did. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
**:No you didn’t. Code is usually stored on GitHub. Providing a link to a list or proxies isn’t code. Until this is provided I’m marking as {{not done}}. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:42, 30 June 2023 (UTC)


===Result===
Now that I think about it, I will probably retire from doing grace periods soon (most likely today), and I will try notifying users about their rights differently, via their talk pages two weeks before supposedly But this idea isn't final. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 21:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
<!---- Only if the nomination is finished ---->
:We've had this system for a while and it's both fair and useful. No reverts should be made unless a Steward agrees with the decision, as up until now there have been no issues. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 01:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
:I think we should add a section to the inactivity policy about grace periods (how long they should be, when they should be set, etc.) I don't think we should retire the practice, as it's quite useful to both bureaucrats and users having their rights removed. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)


==Rename Request==
On second thought, never mind. I going to stick with the practice as I still enjoy doing/using it. And about the inactivity policy, I agree. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 16:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)


Hello! Would it be possible for a steward to rename me to Piccadilly? Thank you! [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
===RFC: Adding a section to the inactivity policy on grace periods===
I propose that the following section be added to the inactivity policy: "Grace periods are an optional way of enforcing this policy. Grace periods involve making the inactive user's rights expire in 2 weeks when they would have otherwise been removed in 2 weeks. It adds extra notification to the inactive user, who can always change their rights back." [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)


:{{support}} as it will create consistency with other projects. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
==[[User:Kiteretsu/RequestSolver|RequestSolver]]==


Pinging {{ping|MacFan4000}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|Drummingman}} [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:28, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi.Everyone, I've keeping on here a proposal of RequestSolver using on the permission page and community portal for marking request manually as done, not done, already done and on hold.etc, I've feel happy if known to what think about this proposal of others users for this proposal.Happy testing ---''<span style="background:#7B68EE;border:1px solid #FF00FF;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Kiteretsu|<span style="color:#FFD700">kítєrєtѕu</span>]]•[[User talk:Kiteretsu|<span style="color:#00FA9A">[@píng mє]</span>]]</span>'' 05:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{Done}} [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 15:44, 1 July 2023 (UTC)


==Possible sockpuppetry==
==Retirement==


{{ping|Drummingman}} {{ping|Dmehus}} {{ping|MacFan4000}} Is [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] and [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] socks?  
Since my work is neither recognised or even accepted of, and also because no one wants to give me a chance, I feel compelled to stop my work here... As system administrator, I could have done a lot of work... However, since I was already rejected there and told to become a steward first... So I wanted to do this, and?


If CheckUser evidence said they're sockpuppetry: Revoke their rights and block them indefinitely with email and TPA access not revoked. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]) ([[Special:UserRights/Tailsultimatefan3891|rights]]) ([[Special:Block/Tailsultimatefan3891|block]]) 21:36, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
PS: If I really wanted to harm this project, I would have done it long ago! [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)


:Cocopuff is definitely not a sock of mine. They're a seperate person. [[User:Seiyena|Seiyena]] ([[Special:Contribs/Seiyena|<span style="color:red">My Contribs</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Seiyena|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk to me</span>]]) 21:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:I'm sorry. Your contributions are valued. They always have been. Nobody thinks you're going to harm the project, there are just already 2 active stewards, which people think is enough. I sincerely hope you come back soon! [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
::{{nd}} - It is abundantly clear that those 2 are not sock puppets. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
:::Thanks. I was just about to say the same thing. [[User:X|X]] ([[User talk:X|talk]]) 21:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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UserRightsManager

Latest comment: 24 June2 comments2 people in discussion

The name of the userRightsManager gadget has changed, so some users may have the tick turned off. It may be necessary to re-enable it in the preferences. LisafBia (talk) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

We encourage bureaucrats, if you have last edited before June 2024, to re-enable its preferences. This user  supports this decision. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 20:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Inactivity for AFAs

Latest comment: Sunday at 19:3012 comments6 people in discussion

Should inactivity for AFAs be measured in regular terms, or should it be measured by the last time an abuse filter was modified by an AFA, or perhaps even the last time a filter was modified to use a restricted action or a restricted filter was modified? I'd like to know consensus on this before I go and modify the inactivity policy. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I would choose when the last time some AFA modified a regular abuse filter (without restricted actions). Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 02:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
We don't have a bot for it yet? That checks for inactivity? Justman10000 (talk) 16:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Nope. It's a manual process. Justarandomamerican (talk) 16:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Would be at least 3 months at least I can suggest. Tailsultimatefan3891 talkcontribs 12:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Abuse Filter Manager is less security-sensitive than Interface Administrator, which is entirely within Steward purview and generally accepted of at least 30 days of inactivity within relevant areas.
I would suggest the 3 month time limit proposed by Tailsultimatefan3891 is sufficient, but would add that it would be activity within Special:AbuseFilter, not any wiki activity. Dmehus (talk) 18:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
However, if it is determined that an abuse filter admin made their latest active action editing an abuse filter, also an bureaucrat, and administrator, and inactive for at least 3 months regardless of abuse filter activity or wiki activity, then all rights would be revocated. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 20:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm  Support with 3 months AlPaD (talk) 20:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Fair point, Tailsultimatefan3891, but I'd still favour codifying that is limited activity within the AbuseFilter space, as we could eventually subsequently amend the inactivity requirements for Bureaucrat and/or Administrator to, say, 6 months (I'd probably favour keeping Bureaucrat at 3 months and increase Administrator to 6 months, though). Also, while unlikely, it's possible someone may only request the AbuseFilter Manager permission. Dmehus (talk) 23:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm saying to increase steward inactivity to 9 months, because you said to increase Administrator to 6 months. Also, System administrator rights can be re-granted within 6 hours of revocation due to inactivity, and steward rights can be re-granted within 24 hours of revocation due to inactivity. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 13:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Steward activity is currently set at 12 months, though. I think that's fair. System Administrator used to have either no inactivity limit or a 12 month limit. I think it should have an inactivity limit, but 12 months is fair.
Administrator - 6 months
Bureaucrat - 3-6 months (I support either, but maybe prefer 3 months)
Steward - 12 months
System Administrator - 12 months
Interface Administrator - it's a steward-granted user group, so steward discretion applies, but generally speaking, the convention has been for 30 days of activity requiring the permission in MediaWiki or User namespace (i.e., other than their own userspace) Dmehus (talk) 18:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Doug and TUF, I believe this would best be another discussion on a new thread, given that we've already come to a consensus on AFA inactivity (3 months of no abuse filter related activity). Justarandomamerican (talk) 19:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Suppression Reports

Latest comment: 26 June6 comments4 people in discussion

Not sure if this was ever officially announced, but you can go to Special:Report/REVID to report a revision that needs suppressed. X (talk + contribs) 21:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

When I installed the extension, I announced it on Discord, but never made an announcement here. *facepalm* Justarandomamerican (talk) 21:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
*sigh* *ahem* I agree on this feature. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 21:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
You’re fine, no problem! X (talk + contribs) 21:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's also included in the newsletter :) The AP (talk) 15:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Cool, right? Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 17:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Welcoming users

Latest comment: 29 July2 comments2 people in discussion

We should welcome a newly-registered user when they make their first edit. Not before, but after. Tsukushi (talk) 01:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

 Clear support. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 15:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Translations into Chinese

Latest comment: 18 July6 comments4 people in discussion

Hi. I've been doing some translations lately and was wondering which variant of Chinese to translate to. Currently most pages are translated into regional dialects, such as zh-cn and zh-tw. What I think would be better is to translate only into zh-hans (simplified Chinese) and zh-hant (traditional Chinese) in order to reduce redundancy, as all Chinese dialects use one of the two character systems. Any thoughts? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Well I think you should translate into the more popular dialect The AP (talk) 12:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Honestly, I think that we should only do the two main variants of Chinese (Traditional and Simplified). Regional dialects complicate things.. Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I lightly and honestly will  oppose reducing the variants of Chinese. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 21:25, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
For what reason? Regional dialects can be broken down into the two main dialects of Chinese. Justarandomamerican (talk) 20:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
For some reason, variants of Chinese may be spoken may be many people, such as some people may speak a partial of Traditional and Simplified Chinese, they are multiple dialects of Chinese, 3 dialects of Chinese may be said by a person while others speak mainly only 1 dialect. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 11:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Community Vote

Latest comment: 31 July9 comments8 people in discussion

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Good afternoon, everyone.
I request a vote on the following proposal: When a bot is created, [[User:Sav/Templates/Emergency-user-block|this]] template could be automatically added to their user page. The process would check for accounts with the 'bot' permission and confirm whether or not the user page has content. If it does, the template would be placed at the top; if it doesn’t, the template would be placed regardless. The template is a quick and easy way to block bot accouts that may not be functioning properly. Thank you for your consideration. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 15:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Support

Oppose

Neutral

Questions

Comments

This has been put before the community previously. See Test Wiki:Community portal/Archive 8#Proposed amendment to Test Wiki:Bots. Justarandomamerican (talk) 10:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

It has indeed, however this time it seems to have more consensus and support. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 04:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Special:PageLanguage enabled

Latest comment: 27 July1 comment1 person in discussion

Multiple groups have the pagelang permission, but the page wasn't enabled until I set $wgPageLanguageUseDB to true. You can now change page languages. The default is still English. Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Rename

Latest comment: 29 July2 comments2 people in discussion

Steward can rename rafdodobot on DodoBot please. Thanks --DodoMan (talk) 19:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

 Done Justarandomamerican (talk) 09:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

MediaWiki:Gadget-OnlineAdmins.js edited

Latest comment: 18 August5 comments4 people in discussion

OnlineAdmins.js has been edited slightly to reflect formatting, you may need to reinstall this gadget. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 03:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

There has been one final change to the code, please reinstall this gadget to reflect the changes. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 06:39, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
I honestly think we should just replace this with mw:Extension:WhosOnline. Tsukushi (talk) 07:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Putting on my sysadmin hat here, to say that this has been previously rejected, and I will probably reject it again. Justarandomamerican (talk) 09:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Possibly, Gadget-OnlineAdmins.js and WhosOnline should be implemented altogether. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 20:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Abuse filter to prevent legal threats

Latest comment: 18 August2 comments1 person in discussion

I had implemented filter 164 to prevent legal threats and I also tried testing filter 164 by using filter 165 but it didn't work. Would you help me on this? Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 11:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

I implemented another abuse filter, numbered 166, leaving that more simple. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 20:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

API

Latest comment: 19 August2 comments2 people in discussion

what is the url of the API(for creating DodoBot)DodoBot (talk) 09:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

See https://mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page Justarandomamerican (talk) 21:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Proposal to modify the block durations for filter 92

Latest comment: 23 August1 comment1 person in discussion

As the title says, I propose modifying the block durations (IP addresses and accounts) from three months down to whatever block duration limit (whether shorter or not) is appropriate. Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 03:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

MediaWiki internal error on Special:SpecialPages

Latest comment: 27 August2 comments2 people in discussion

[b3226bde47e2affaf7622a8e] /wiki/Special:SpecialPages TypeError: Cannot assign APCUBagOStuff to property MediaWiki\Extension\Translate\Statistics\LanguageStatsSpecialPage::$cache of type Wikimedia\ObjectCache\BagOStuff Backtrace: from /var/www/html/extensions/Translate/src/Statistics/LanguageStatsSpecialPage.php(84)

  1. 0 /var/www/html/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory.php(240): MediaWiki\Extension\Translate\Statistics\LanguageStatsSpecialPage->__construct()
  2. 1 /var/www/html/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory.php(149): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory::getObjectFromSpec()
  3. 2 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1501): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory->createObject()
  4. 3 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1539): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->getPage()
  5. 4 /var/www/html/includes/specials/SpecialSpecialPages.php(64): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->getUsablePages()
  6. 5 /var/www/html/includes/specials/SpecialSpecialPages.php(53): MediaWiki\Specials\SpecialSpecialPages->getPageGroups()
  7. 6 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(719): MediaWiki\Specials\SpecialSpecialPages->execute()
  8. 7 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1669): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPage->run()
  9. 8 /var/www/html/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(504): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath()
  10. 9 /var/www/html/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(145): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->performRequest()
  11. 10 /var/www/html/includes/MediaWikiEntryPoint.php(199): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->execute()
  12. 11 /var/www/html/index.php(58): MediaWiki\MediaWikiEntryPoint->run()
  13. 12 {main}

Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 22:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Justarandomamerican
You could try modifying the LanguageStatsSpecialPage.php file at line 84, where the cache assignment occurs, to handle the cache object
if ($cache instanceof Wikimedia\ObjectCache\BagOStuff) {
$this->cache = $cache;
} else {
// Handle error or set default cache.
}
But before that, check if the translation extension is compatible with the the MW version because of now-translation extension >= 1.42.0 The AP (talk) 17:24, 27 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Steward

Latest comment: Sunday at 18:1613 comments6 people in discussion

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Even though not too much time has passed, I am still candidate as steward... Let's face it, there is simply nothing or hardly anything left for me to do and I rather could prove myself as steward than as bureaucrat! I could also help better as steward...

I hope for a chance... Justman10000 (talk) 17:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Support

Oppose

  •  Oppose We currently have 4 Stewards, with 2 being active (Justarandomamerican & Drummingman). Alongside this, your reasoning of Let's face it, there is simply nothing or hardly anything left for me to do and I rather could prove myself as steward than as bureaucrat! does not reflect a clear understanding of the Steward role. Instead, it suggests an interest in hat collecting, rather than having a clear understand of what a Steward does. Good luck with your request! Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 09:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    As I wrote below, no steward, nothing to do! Justman10000 (talk) 11:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    You're clearly not understanding what a Steward does, Justman. You don't just apply for Stewardship because you are "bored" or "have nothing to do". Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 11:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    No, but I would also do what stewards do Justman10000 (talk) 14:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Besides, I want to be a system administrator! And since one said that it was helpful to be a steward first... Justman10000 (talk) 16:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    There is plenty to do without having the steward tools. You can continue to translate pages into German, which is of great importance. Test Wiki is multilingual, and your efforts are valued as a translator. You can fight the occasional vandalism and spam that comes through. Beyond non-test actions, you can also keep testing the admin and bureaucrat tools! See what you can do with them. Justarandomamerican (talk) 13:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    It won't take long, then I won't have anything left to translate either Justman10000 (talk) 16:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •  Oppose I don't think that you understand the policies well, and Sav's point is also valid. Steward right is a right that requires great dedication and knowledge. It also requires the user to be trustworthy. LisafBia (talk) 10:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
    If one don't try, one won't find out! And as I already said in my candidacy, as a bureaucrat I have nothing more to do! And just sitting dumb around is not the sence either. Justman10000 (talk) 11:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •  Oppose and suggest a restriction for Justman10000 on opening another RfS that wastes volunteer/community time. This request shows a lack of understanding of the role of stewards and does not give me confidence in the candidate. X (talk + contribs) 16:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Neutral

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Grace periods

Latest comment: Sunday at 18:145 comments3 people in discussion

One of my pet peeves is that people are establishing the grace period for users' rights too early. People should wait a little longer to do it so that the day of the new grace period and expiration date are close to each other. Thus, I might revert the grace period that was added to London's rights earlier today, despite the expiration date being entirely correct, but too far from today. But, with grace periods (PLUS CORRECTIONS) comes an extremely clogged log so likely I won't this time.

Now that I think about it, I will probably retire from doing grace periods soon (most likely today), and I will try notifying users about their rights differently, via their talk pages two weeks before supposedly But this idea isn't final. Tsukushi (talk) 21:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

We've had this system for a while and it's both fair and useful. No reverts should be made unless a Steward agrees with the decision, as up until now there have been no issues. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 01:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think we should add a section to the inactivity policy about grace periods (how long they should be, when they should be set, etc.) I don't think we should retire the practice, as it's quite useful to both bureaucrats and users having their rights removed. Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:33, 9 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

On second thought, never mind. I going to stick with the practice as I still enjoy doing/using it. And about the inactivity policy, I agree. Tsukushi (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

RFC: Adding a section to the inactivity policy on grace periods

I propose that the following section be added to the inactivity policy: "Grace periods are an optional way of enforcing this policy. Grace periods involve making the inactive user's rights expire in 2 weeks when they would have otherwise been removed in 2 weeks. It adds extra notification to the inactive user, who can always change their rights back." Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

RequestSolver

Latest comment: 13 September1 comment1 person in discussion

Hi.Everyone, I've keeping on here a proposal of RequestSolver using on the permission page and community portal for marking request manually as done, not done, already done and on hold.etc, I've feel happy if known to what think about this proposal of others users for this proposal.Happy testing ---kítєrєtѕu•[@píng mє] 05:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Retirement

Latest comment: Sunday at 18:202 comments2 people in discussion

Since my work is neither recognised or even accepted of, and also because no one wants to give me a chance, I feel compelled to stop my work here... As system administrator, I could have done a lot of work... However, since I was already rejected there and told to become a steward first... So I wanted to do this, and?

PS: If I really wanted to harm this project, I would have done it long ago! Justman10000 (talk) 17:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm sorry. Your contributions are valued. They always have been. Nobody thinks you're going to harm the project, there are just already 2 active stewards, which people think is enough. I sincerely hope you come back soon! Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
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