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UserRightsManager

The name of the userRightsManager gadget has changed, so some users may have the tick turned off. It may be necessary to re-enable it in the preferences. LisafBia (talk) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

We encourage bureaucrats, if you have last edited before June 2024, to re-enable its preferences. This user  supports this decision. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 20:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Inactivity for AFAs

Should inactivity for AFAs be measured in regular terms, or should it be measured by the last time an abuse filter was modified by an AFA, or perhaps even the last time a filter was modified to use a restricted action or a restricted filter was modified? I'd like to know consensus on this before I go and modify the inactivity policy. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I would choose when the last time some AFA modified a regular abuse filter (without restricted actions). Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 02:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

We don't have a bot for it yet? That checks for inactivity? Justman10000 (talk) 16:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Nope. It's a manual process. Justarandomamerican (talk) 16:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Would be at least 3 months at least I can suggest. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talk_contribs 12:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Proposal

Just like we have a disqualification section in bureaucrat policy why don’t we have a steward policy that covers how does the rights of stewards and non-steward suppressor are removed.I have noticed that some users with advanced rights i.e, steward and NSS remain inactive most of the time and come by once to make some little changes or perform actions once in 1-2 months so they can retain their rights. For example EPIC Who is a Wikimedia steward and hold administrator right at Swedish Wikipedia, I think he’s a bit busy that he can actively contribute to this project and same goes with Doug a.k.a. Dmehus who is semi active at Miraheze and really inactive at this project.Additionally X has been active for past few days. With this in mind I think we definitely need a way where the community can remove such advanced rights from the users through voting. Such a resolution can be taken place when at least one or more steward and or 5 or more Crats are supporting that proposals.This way we can hold the users accountable for misuses also The AP (talk) 14:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

While this is happening, one of the bulk changes will be an addition of the consul permission, which can handle up to 6 months of inactivity to handle their rights and instead stewards can handle up to 9 months of inactivity to handle their rights. This may interfere with this discussion. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 20:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

This needs to be fleshed out more: What sort of consensus is required to remove Steward rights? What sort of consensus is required to remove NSS rights? How will the system prevent trolls or people holding grudges from missing it? Justarandomamerican (talk) 04:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Well it is not remove Steward rights. It is to add Consul rights between Bureaucrat and Steward rights. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 11:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tailsultimatefan3891 You should start a new section for discussion of consul permissions; please carry out only steward policy-related discussion here. The AP (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Reasons for Removal

The rights for stewards and NSS can be removed only under two circumstances:

1.) Misuse of Rights: Any actions taken by a steward or NSS that are deemed as a misuse of their powers.

2.) Inactivity: A period of inactivity that is less than that specified in the inactivity policy.

Initiating a Resolution

To initiate the removal of rights, a resolution must be started at the community portal. The specific requirements for starting such a resolution are as follows:

For Stewards: The resolution must be supported by at least 2 stewards and/or 5 bureaucrats.

For NSS: The resolution must be supported by at least 1 steward and/or 1 NSS and/or 4 bureaucrats.

Discussion and Voting Period

Once a resolution is initiated:

Discussion Period: The discussion must last for a minimum of 14 days and can extend up to a maximum of 30 days. This period allows for a thorough and reflective conversation among community members.

Voting Period: Voting will commence after one week of discussion.

Voting Requirements

In order to vote in the redesign, the user must have bureaucratic rights and have made 50 edits since acquiring admin rights

To ensure the removal of rights:

For Stewards: At least 80% of the votes must support the removal.

For NSS: At least 70% of the votes must support the removal. The AP (talk) 14:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

@Justarandomamerican,this isn't perfect and it is just an idea of what purpose this would serve, if there is community consensus for the policy then I will proceed further The AP (talk) 18:13, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I would  support the idea of adding to the Stewards page or creating some sort of Test Wiki:Removal of non-test rights page to make such provisions. I prefer the former. I feel it would be useful. Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

In my opinions, I would  Support this proposal. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 18:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Once I reach home I will make up the page as it seems there is community consensus for it The AP (talk) 04:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I would  Support it, but with the following additional condition: Only users who have at least the bureaucratic right, and who have made at least 50 (non-vandalistic) edits two weeks before the start of the discussion period, can vote during the impeachment process. This is to prevent trolls/vandals or troublemakers etc. from deploying sock puppets and/or meat puppets. Of course, other users who cannot meet those requirements are allowed to keep participating in the discussion of course they are not allowed to use sock puppets, and they are not allowed to vote. Drummingman (talk) 20:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

How does this apply to system administrators? Justarandomamerican (talk) 20:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC).

support provisionally crossed out due to practical concerns, from Justarandomamerican. Drummingman (talk) 21:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@TheAstorPastor The only way I can think of is for stewards to have access to user rights and the server without being System administrators. This is to be able to add and remove rights; otherwise you have a system that is not foolproof. I honestly wonder if this is all well-thought-out now that I see these practical objections? We are a small community, this seems very difficult. A possible solution could also be, merge stewards and SA into the new users right 'Steward'. If 2 stewards or fewer remain, impeachment from the community is not possible. Drummingman (talk) 22:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I still would  Support this proposal, but for the resolutions, for the stewards, 2 stewards and/or 4 NSS and/or 4 AFAs, and/or 5 bureaucrats and/or 15 administrators, and for the NSSes and AFAs, 1 steward, 2 AFAs and/or 2 NSS and/or 4 bureaucrats and/or 12 administrators. But I am not sure because the upcoming consul permission may interfere with the requirements. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 01:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Drummingman:  Oppose the removal of system administrator right. As a steward combined they can be so powerful that they can lock the database or grant all user rights. However, later, I will announce the consul right as in between bureaucrat and steward, as an equivalent to sheriff on thetestwiki.org so system administrator rights will be slightly more rarely given than earlier to keep it balanced. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 01:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Justarandomamerican and @Drummingman Well SA rights can be removed in a similar fashion i.e, 2 steward, and or 5 bureaucrat .We are a small community with 4 Steward,2 NSS and 2 SA.If there is 2 steward then definitely the impeachment is not possible but there is another way that is 5 bureaucrats. Existing steward may check user the votes so there is no sockpuppetry or meat puppetry. The AP (talk) 11:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Another possibility is that SA rights can't be removed for inactivity, which is less than specified in TW:IP because we only have 2 SA, out of which MacFan4000 remains inactive most of the time. But they can be removed for misuse. The AP (talk) 11:44, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Neutral at this point. Justarandomamerican (talk) 21:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Justarandomamerican Do you think that I should proceed with the policy or wait a little bit longer? The AP (talk) 15:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

It would need to be closed by an uninvolved user, and I would not say that consensus has been reached yet. I would suggest taking all the feedback you’ve received and create a user subpage of what the updated rights pages would look like and create a new thread for the community to vote on. X (talk + contribs) 15:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. Would you care to close the thread? The AP (talk) 17:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I am now also Neutral because, no practical solution has been found for the SA combination stewards. Drummingman (talk) 19:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to argue about this, but system administrator rights are very powerful and I oppose on this decision. Like again:

"I still would  Support this proposal, but for the resolutions, for the stewards, 2 stewards and/or 4 NSS and/or 4 AFAs, and/or 5 bureaucrats and/or 15 administrators, and for the NSSes and AFAs, 1 steward, 2 AFAs and/or 2 NSS and/or 4 bureaucrats and/or 12 administrators. But I am not sure because the upcoming consul permission may interfere with the requirements."

And another statement I made:

" Oppose the removal of system administrator right. As a steward combined they can be so powerful that they can lock the database or grant all user rights. However, later, I will announce the consul right as in between bureaucrat and steward, as an equivalent to sheriff on thetestwiki.org so system administrator rights will be slightly more rarely given than earlier to keep it balanced."

In addition, non-bureaucrats can vote during the impeachment process as long as they made at least 70 (non-vandalism) edits 1 week prior to, has been registered for at least 1 month, and needs to be an administrator. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 22:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Bureaucracy of Tailsultimatefan3891

• User: Tailsultimatefan3891 (talk · contribs · deleted · logs · rights) (assign permissions)
• Requested right: Bureaucrat (indef or until inactive for 3 months)
• Link to your account in other projects, e.g. Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom (optional): Rating System Wiki Contentpedia
• [I agree] I am familiar with all of Test Wiki's policies and agree to follow them completely.
• [I also agree] I agree that I am entirely responsible for all actions done under this account, including actions performed under this account by someone other than myself.
• [I also agree] I agree that if I misuse the tools, my access might be revoked and I may be banned from Test Wiki without prior warning.
• [I also agree] Note this right can only be granted by stewards.

Other comments: I would suggest passing a vote here. I know what are the risks here. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 20:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Support

•  Suppose, like mines! MihaiAdmin1 (talk) 20:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry suspected. I assume the stewards are investigating. X (talk + contribs) 20:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

No relation between Mihai and Tailsultimatefan. Justarandomamerican (talk) 21:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it was not me who did it by confirmation. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 16:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Is the vote still valid? Said user is blocked Justman10000 (talk) 20:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Weak support They haven't created any problems since acquiring the rights. Let's give them a temporary crat bit which can later be extended to permanent The AP (talk) 15:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

  What is the duration recommended? Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 16:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

  One month, at the minimum? Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 03:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

  That's for stewards to decide The AP (talk) 17:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

  Maybe so. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 22:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

•  Support If I recall correctly, this user has not done anything wrong recently, in the sense of violating policies. However, pretty much of what X said is true. But me personally, I don't have any problems with giving this user bureaucrat rights, but I'd also like to see them address the problems X has stated from the oppose and neutral sections. Tsukushi (talk) 08:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

  Are you aware of the problems caused by the requester and still give your approval? Justman10000 (talk) 20:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

•  Strongly oppose Acts like he's a steward (always wants to lecture me), even if he means good, it's kind of annoying... For example this or especially this! As I said, even if it's meant good, one don't have to act like a steward if one isn't one! Furthermore, the requester assumes that he would be exempt from the inactivity policy (see behind Requested right) --Justman10000 (talk) 20:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Oppose I haven’t seen a clear demonstration of maturity and knowledge of wiki norms to feel comfortable supporting this. X (talk + contribs) 17:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

  Why? Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 17:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

  For one, you “supported” your own rights request above. You also left a comment saying you supported a users block, which I reverted. I’ve been back from my wiki break for only 2 days and have already seen two things that don’t show knowledge of community norms. That is why I am not comfortable at this time. X (talk + contribs) 18:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

  OK. You can change your vote at any time before voting ends. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 01:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

  I am aware, yes. X (talk + contribs) 01:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

  I got it! OK. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 02:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

  I think he meant, that you should change your vote Justman10000 (talk) 20:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

  As I said, I just think Justman10000 (talk) 20:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Oppose The user needs to get to know the policies for a while. LisafBia (talk) 15:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

  I already know it. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 23:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

•  Oppose Per X's comment. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 06:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

  I already know it. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 23:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Neutral/Abstain

• Neutral Per X. Username (talk) 23:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

  Please note that this is a vote from a non-sysop. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 01:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

  This, yet again, shows a lack of understanding of our policies. Non-sysops are permitted to voice their opinion in community discussions and their user rights hold no weight on their voting ability. Also, username is the alternative account of @Jody, a crat. X (talk + contribs) 01:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

  I got it! OK. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 02:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Comments

Sometimes, I see some (if not most) of their edits in Abuse filter test trying to trigger and test some filters. Maybe you should do other non-test work here. Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 23:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

It is just a test. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 23:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Suppression Reports

Not sure if this was ever officially announced, but you can go to Special:Report/REVID to report a revision that needs suppressed. X (talk + contribs) 21:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

When I installed the extension, I announced it on Discord, but never made an announcement here. *facepalm* Justarandomamerican (talk) 21:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

*sigh* *ahem* I agree on this feature. Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 21:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

You’re fine, no problem! X (talk + contribs) 21:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

It's also included in the newsletter :) The AP (talk) 15:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Cool, right? Tailsultimatefan3891 ^talklogs_contribs 17:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Welcoming users

We should welcome a newly-registered user when they make their first edit. Not before, but after. Tsukushi (talk) 01:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Requests for approval (bot)

Hello all, I have created a bot account named User:DR bot for maintenance tasks on this wiki. The first task I want to perform with this bot is to archive discussions on pages like the community portal, user talk pages, and other discussion venues. Therefore, I am requesting approval from the community. I'm also happy to assist with other tasks as needed. DR (talk) 16:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I am against a bot archiving user talk pages, people should and do have the freedom to archive whenever. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 20:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I would assume such a bot would be opt-in, as I would oppose mandatory archival myself. Justarandomamerican (talk) 21:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

This seems very uncontroversial if user talks are opt-in. We don’t have a RfBA here, @DR, so you are welcome to move forward with your bot. X (talk + contribs) 23:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Justarandomamerican, @Sav, @X This bot will not archive user talk page messages on its own. It will only do so if the following template is present. Users can add this template if they want to archive messages automatically.

{{User:DR/config

|archive = User talk:DR/Archive %(counter)d

|algo = old(1d)

|counter = 1

|maxarchivesize = 10k

|archiveheader =

|minthreadstoarchive = 1

|minthreadsleft = 1

}}

DR (talk) 02:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Well, in that case, I'll go ahead and give your bot the green flag. Justarandomamerican (talk) 03:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Well, that changes my opinion. All good with me :) Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 19:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Great, I will work on the documentation for this template. After that, we can set up auto-archiving for the community portal and the permissions request page. DR (talk) 15:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@DR Can you shed light on other tasks this bot will perform? The AP (talk) 12:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

I currently don't have any other tasks, but I am available to help with anything if someone needs. DR (talk) 12:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)