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Due to a lack of work and trust in the community, no, or at least only extremely few, non-test edits on my part are to be expected Justman10000 (talk) 17:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Since there is nothing more for me to do here, I would like to be a interface administrator... I would mainly take care of the gadgets, adding or removing scripts (if desired) there and translating them... Since I seem to have plenty of time until candidate as steward/system administrator, I would at least to do this!

As I said, without this I would have nothing more to do here! And we don't want me to just sit here and wait Justman10000 (talk) 08:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Not a steward but this attitude isn’t encouraging to me. I don’t have confidence that you will be a suitable IA, mainly due to WP:CIR. Do you have any previous work in this area? X (talk + contribs) 02:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

As I said, I would mainly manage the gadgets... Justman10000 (talk) 08:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

IA is a sensitive right, in the hands of people who don't know what they are doing, it can even be dangerous. Can you convince me that you know what you are doing and have experience with the interface? Drummingman (talk) 09:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Well, I've already looked into the configuration syntax of the gadget extension! If necessary, I'll just look in the MediaWiki documentation Justman10000 (talk) 09:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Drummingman There? Justman10000 (talk) 06:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

What coding languages do you know? Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 06:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

It's still all about the gadgets, so I wouldn't need any coding experience! I would mainly import scripts from other wikis, tidy up the gadgets and translate them Justman10000 (talk) 06:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Interface Administrator requires coding knowledge. So, for me, this is an

Oppose. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 07:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I said I didn't need it! I would only manage gadgets! And if one were finally able to give me a chance, I could prove it too... Justman10000 (talk) 07:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

So how you plan to manage gadgets without coding experience? The AP (talk) 11:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't get what one is getting at? Where do I need coding experience for this:

Selective Rollback[ResourceLoader|rights=rollback]|Selective Rollback.js Justman10000 (talk) 12:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Justman10000 That's just MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition and you said "mainly import scripts from other wikis,", and how do you plan to make scripts compatible to our wiki. The AP (talk) 13:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

No need to! Practically every script that I use here in my common.js is also compatible with this wiki! I just don't import the rest! I would possibly find more! I would test each script first, however Justman10000 (talk) 14:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Now having experience as an Iinterface admin I don’t trust him too much.@Justman1000: Now having experience as an Interface admin I don’t trust you too much. And in addition if you do not know any coding language this will be mission hard.Could you give me a mini JS script to say hello?(you should at least know this to be interface admin)DodoMan (talk) 17:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Apologies, but this

will not be done for the time being, due to Drummimgman's and the various IAs' discomfort. Justarandomamerican (talk) 17:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Do I actually speak Turkish? Or against a wall? Without these permissions I have nothing more to do here! Is that so difficult to understand? I'm getting really fed up! No one is able to give me a chance! Justman10000 (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Besides, you said I should convince YOU? So what does that have to do with the other IAs? Justman10000 (talk) 23:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

As a Steward, I am a community representative. I cannot ignore IA or any community thoughts, especially on a topic posted here. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

I see... But as already mentioned, without the said permissions... Justman10000 (talk) 00:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Would it be possible to assign these at least temporarily? Justman10000 (talk) 00:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I will consider a 3 day trial, so long as you agree stick to importing and making gadgets. Justarandomamerican (talk) 00:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Justman10000 (talk) 01:07, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Justarandomamerican There? Justman10000 (talk) 14:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Upon further inspection, it appears that you do not have a sufficient grasp on the purpose of the IA right. At Test Wiki, when gadgets are imported, a human interface administrator has to both import them and use their coding knowledge to tailor them to our wiki, as the majority of gadgets are designed for massive wiki (farms). I am also uncomfortable with your seemingly uncivil attitude. As such,

this is not done, and likely will not be done for the foreseeable future. Justarandomamerican (talk) 15:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

We still have 6-8 months until I can candidate for stewardship! I have explained many times that without these permissions I would have nothing to do here, and scripts that I would import would also work here! But I seem to be talking to a wall! If one is permanently not trusted by anyone, one should not be wondering if this person shows an uncivil attitude!

And believe me, I'm still holding myself back significantly Justman10000 (talk) 17:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

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+{{Discussion_top|Due to a lack of work and trust in the community, no, or at least only extremely few, non-test edits on my part are to be expected [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)}}
-{{Discussion top|{{Not done}}, per strong opposition. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 16:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)}}
+Since there is nothing more for me to do here, I would like to be a {{MediaWiki:group-interface-admin-member}}... I would mainly take care of the gadgets, adding or removing scripts (if desired) there and translating them... Since I seem to have plenty of time until candidate as steward/system administrator, I would at least to do this!
-{{Ping|MacFan4000}} I would want to say that LisafBia, the two stewards (Drummingman and Justarandomamerican), and I, indicate that I voted, and all votes are oppose (formerly my vote was a neutral, but changed to oppose regarding most people's concerns). MacFan4000, you may have to close as unsuccessful. {{Ping|Justman10000}} If you have any further questions regarding this or want to vote on yourself, please state your questions below the votes in the "Questions by the candidate" section or take place of your vote here before MacFan4000 is closing it. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
+As I said, without this I would have nothing more to do here! And we don't want me to just sit here and wait [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 08:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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+:Not a steward but this attitude isn’t encouraging to me. I don’t have confidence that you will be a suitable IA, mainly due to [[WP:CIR]]. Do you have any previous work in this area? [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 02:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
-I would like to be a system administrator so that I can also support at system configuration level... In addition to managing permissions, I would also keep the software, extensions and skins up to date and optimise the configurations!
+::As I said, I would mainly manage the gadgets... [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 08:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
-<br>
+:::IA is a sensitive right, in the hands of people who don't know what they are doing, it can even be dangerous. Can you convince me that you know what you are doing and have experience with the interface? [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 09:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
-<br>
-It would be really nice to get a chance 🙂 [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
+::::Well, I've already looked into the configuration syntax of the gadget extension! If necessary, I'll just look in the MediaWiki documentation [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 09:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
+::::@[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] There? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 06:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
+:::::What coding languages do you know? [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 06:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
-:Did you know how to use Git, PHP, and SSH, and you are active on this wiki? Please see [[Project:System administrators]]. Also, it would be really nice for you to be a system administrator if you know understanding of Apache and a server (MariaDB/MySQL/PostgreSQL/SQLite). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
-::I already work with Linux Debian since 4 years! So yes 🙂 [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
+::::::It's still all about the gadgets, so I wouldn't need any coding experience! I would mainly import scripts from other wikis, tidy up the gadgets and translate them [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 06:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
-:::Are you aware that this very high trust permission can cause great damage if it's improperly used? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''La Suma''</span>]] 17:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
+:::::::Interface Administrator requires coding knowledge. So, for me, this is an {{oppose}}. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 07:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
-::::I am aware of this! Yes [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
+::::::::I said I didn't need it! I would only manage gadgets! And if one were finally able to give me a chance, I could prove it too... [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 07:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
+:::::::::So how you plan to manage gadgets without coding experience? [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 11:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
-:::::So, voting by the two stewards and by some users is required. If the votes are successful, then it goes to the system administrator to grant the permission or not. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
+::::::::::I don't get what one is getting at? Where do I need coding experience for this:
-::::::The votes are all oppose that it is likely to be unsuccessful. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC) (sorry for the late signing)
+::::::::::<br>
+::::::::::<code>Selective Rollback[ResourceLoader|rights=rollback]|Selective Rollback.js</code> [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 12:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
-===Voting===
+:::::::::::@[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] That's just MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition and you said "{{tq| mainly import scripts from other wikis,}}", and how do you plan to make scripts compatible to our wiki. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 13:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
+::::::::::::No need to! Practically every script that I use here in my common.js is also compatible with this wiki! I just don't import the rest! I would possibly find more! I would test each script first, however [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 14:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
-====Support====
+::::::::::::::Now having experience as an Iinterface admin I don’t trust him too much.{{ping|Justman1000}} Now having experience as an Interface admin I don’t trust you too much. And in addition if you do not know any coding language this will be mission hard.Could you give me a mini JS script to say hello?(you should at least know this to be interface admin)[[User:DodoMan|DodoMan]] ([[User talk:DodoMan|talk]]) 17:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
+:Apologies, but this {{not done|will not be done}} for the time being, due to Drummimgman's and the various IAs' discomfort. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
-====Oppose====
+::Do I actually speak Turkish? Or against a wall? Without these permissions I have nothing more to do here! Is that so difficult to understand? I'm getting really fed up! No one is able to give me a chance! [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 19:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
-*{{Oppose|Weak Oppose}} Hi, thanks for volunteering. Unfortunately, I must weakly oppose your request at this time due to lack of necessary trust or track record. I do not think you would take the site down, abuse your power in some other way, or go inactive suddenly, but you do not hold Stewardship here or administratorship elsewhere, and you don't have that long of a track record, so I cannot be sure. Consider this a moral support of sorts; I have no objection to another run in the medium-term future. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:Like I said, I'd be happy to get a chance, and if you don't think I would abuse my power (which I wouldn't too), then what's the problem? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
+::Besides, you said I should convince YOU? So what does that have to do with the other IAs? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 23:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
-*::This permission is very powerful, can lock the database and have access to PHP, SSH, Git, and Github and even Apache and the server (MariaDB/MySQL/PostgreSQL/SQLite). [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
+:::As a Steward, I am a community representative. I cannot ignore IA or any community thoughts, especially on a topic posted here. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
+::::I see... But as already mentioned, without the said permissions... [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 00:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
-*::System administratorship is a very powerful position. I prefer to err on the side of caution. Can you describe your previous experience with FiveM and Minecraft servers? Do you have PHP experience? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:::For the networks, I installed and configured web applications and Minecraft plugins [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
+::::Would it be possible to assign these at least temporarily? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 00:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
+:::::I will consider a 3 day trial, so long as you agree stick to importing and making gadgets. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 00:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
-*::::Please refer to the following questions:
+::::::[[File:Yes check.svg|18px]] [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 01:07, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
-*::::*Do you have PHP experience?
+::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] There? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 14:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
-*::::*Do you have SSH experience?
+:::::::Upon further inspection, it appears that you do not have a sufficient grasp on the purpose of the IA right. At Test Wiki, when gadgets are imported, a human interface administrator has to both import them and use their coding knowledge to tailor them to our wiki, as the majority of gadgets are designed for massive wiki (farms). I am also uncomfortable with your seemingly uncivil attitude. As such, {{not done|this is not done, and likely will not be done for the foreseeable future.}} [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
-*::::*Do you have Git/Github experience?
+::::::::We still have 6-8 months until I can candidate for stewardship! I have explained many times that without these permissions I would have nothing to do here, and scripts that I would import would also work here! But I seem to be talking to a wall! If one is permanently not trusted by anyone, one should not be wondering if this person shows an ''uncivil attitude''!
-*::::*To make it easier, it is recommended to use MariaDB, MySQL, SQLite, or PostgreSQL server and use Apache. Do you have experience and understanding of that?
+::::::::<br>
-*::::[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
+::::::::And believe me, I'm still holding myself back significantly [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
-*:::::*Yes
+{{Discussion_bottom}}
-*:::::*Yes
-*:::::*Yes
-*:::::*I have already used all of the mentioned database systems early, so... yes
-*:::::[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 05:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{oppose}} Hi, nice that you signed up and want to get more involved, I can only appreciate that. But unfortunately, here and for this reason, I want to cast my dissenting vote. I am very reluctant to assign this role to someone I don't know well. Anyway, are you already a system administrator, steward or admin on a major wiki project somewhere? On a Wikimedia, Miraheze or other large wikifarm. On these wikis, you become one only after a thorough review and vote. To me, that is a hard requirement for a system administrator. SA has the unlimited power to shut down an entire wiki (database lock and unlock) block anyone and deny  or grant anyone user rights. Therefore, this right can only be granted to highly trusted users. Of course, this is separate from the technical side, which is also important.  [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 17:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:Of course, yes, I agree. I absolutely vote and agree on {{Oppose}} but I gave the very strong oppose, biggest, strongest, ever. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 01:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{oppose|Strongly oppose}} It doesn't make much sense to give a user who has been a member for less than 1 month a higher level of authority than even the stewards such as the system administrator. You need to have 3 or more months of activity history. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 18:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:Nowhere does it say anything about that... So... And is it so difficult to give someone a chance? It's not really motivating [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 18:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
-*::See what the text LisafBia and the 2 stewards said, plus the vote from me right below. Not satisfying and broken trust. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:31, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{oppose|Strongly, very strong, extreme, intense, super, mega, kilo, peta, peta, tera, tera, mega, mega, very strong, strongly, bigger, longer, and absolute oppose that is the biggest, longest, and strongest oppose that I will ever give}} Seriously?!? This user has no long history, new to this wiki, despite knowing PHP, SSH, and Git and needs more experience with Apache and a server (PostgreSQL, MariaDB, MySQL, SQLite). System administrator is a very powerful right, even more than interface administrator and especially intended to be more powerful than regular stewards, including grant or revocate anyone user rights, disable OAuth for a user, locking the database and have access to PHP, site-sensitive files, SSH, and Git as well as the server such as MySQL, MariaDB, PostgreSQL, and SQLite and Apache. They'll have access to DefaultSettings.php, LocalSettings.php, and NoLocalSettings.php. This right is extremely powerful. I hope this will be absolutely rejected. You'll hear no complaints from me. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{oppose|Strong oppose}} per {{tq|Drummingman and Justarandomamerican}}; Justaman10000 joined on test wiki sice 28 May 2024 (7 days) and I don't think they are really eligible for system administrator privileges for at this time and I don't think they are currently fulfill system admin's requirements. Happy testing ~~''<span style="background:#800080;border:1px solid #F62817;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Infinity|<span style="color:#00FF00">ínfínítу</span>]] • [[User talk:Infinity|<span style="color:#FF0000">[@píng mє]</span>]]</span>'' 03:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:Do I speak Turkish when I say it would be nice to get a Chance? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 14:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
-*::Hey there, now you aren't being [[w:WP:AGF|nice]].Just to be clear and make you familiar with the community, the steward/system administrator is equivalent to a sysop, crat, or steward on Wikimedia or on big Wiki farms like Miraheze.You can't just go on those wikis and, in 7 days, request advanced rights.You need to build up a proper reputation here. In addition to it being a test wiki, we limit the testing rights to Sysop and Crat Bit.So I think you should try to spend more time here. :) [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 14:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::{{re|Justman10000}} No! You are didn't talk  me in [[Wikipedia:Turkish language|Turkish]] languages but {{tq|you have joined 7 days ago before on Test Wiki, so, I don't think now you're eligible for system administrator privileges because this permission is very high level trusted privileges on in test wiki and I don't seem you're demonstrated with SSL, php and MariaDB, MySQL, SQLite, or PostgreSQL server and use Apache and others, I suggest to you please spent a long time (1 year or 3 years) on test wiki; I think you try to  [[Wikipedia:Hat collecting|Hat]] collecting on here, so, I fully '''Strong oppose''' for this permission.}} Happy testing ~~''<span style="background:#800080;border:1px solid #F62817;border-radius :18px;padding:4px">[[User:Infinity|<span style="color:#00FF00">ínfínítу</span>]] • [[User talk:Infinity|<span style="color:#FF0000">[@píng mє]</span>]]</span>'' 15:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
-====Neutral====
-*<s>{{Neutral}} Used Linux Debian and may be trusted, but I don't know if completely trusted.[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)</s>
-*:I would be! I have already system-administered around 20 Minecraft and FiveM networks! Sure, this has nothing to do with MediaWiki itself, but it's about the principle! As I said, I would be happy to get a chance [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 17:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
-*::Possibly some enhanced trust would be needed. Try to think when you become a system administrator. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 17:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:::Vote since changed. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] ([[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]) 20:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
-====Comments====
-===Questions by the candidate===
-What is actually so damn hard to understand about the sentence, ''It would be really nice to get a chance''? If you're only ever rejected, there comes a day when you don't want to do anything anywhere! Just give it a damn chance and let someone prove themselves... Is that so hard?
-It is the unlimited power, yes! But that way I could have proved myself directly! It's extremely unmotivating to first have to do what I know how many weeks or even months of preparatory work, only to probably be rejected again! --[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 05:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
-:Hey there, I understand that it may be frustrating to you that you aren't getting a chance to be a system administrator, but this isn't the case for you alone. @[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] had his request for stewardship denied once and withdrawn also.@[[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] also had their request denied.I suggest you mingle with the community and try to spend more time here.Then, if you gain a fair position in the community, I will nominate you myself. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 06:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
-===Questions for the candidate===
-{{Discussion bottom}}
-==Request for System administratorship==
-{{Discussion top|This request is {{done|successful}}. [[User:MacFan4000|MacFan4000]] <sup>([[User talk:MacFan4000|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/MacFan4000|Contribs]])</sup> 18:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)}}
-Hello. I've been a Steward for around a solid year. I've also been involved in the behind the scenes technical stuff such as Phorge/Phabricator and GitHub for a while, writing requests and pull requests. I have basic technical knowledge as described in [[Test Wiki:System administrators]]. I think having an extra system administrator would speed things along on Phabricator, along with ensuring that there's a backup when MacFan4000 is busy. Feel free to ask any questions. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-===Questions for the candidate===
-===Support===
-*{{support}} - You have been a steward with us for almost 1 year. This has given you the confidence to handle sensitive matters. You have also shown yourself to be a good steward. After all, we really need more System Administrators. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 16:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{support}} per Drummingman [[User:Gepard|<span style="color:grey;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Gepard</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Gepard|''talk'']]</sub> 16:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{support}} Trusted user. I wish the candidate luck with MediaWiki and other technical tools. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 17:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{support}} with no objections to you becoming a brand new system administrator. As you've been highly trusted for mostly a year, we wish you good luck having another very high-trust role here. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 17:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{support|Strong Support}} no concerns, trusted User with stewards privileges.---''<span style="background:#7B68EE;border:1px solid #FF00FF;border-radius:18px;padding:4px">[[User:Infinityboy7|<span style="color:#FFD700">Infínítybσy7</span>]] • [[User talk:Infinityboy7|<span style="color:#00FA9A">[@píng mє]</span>]]</span>'' 03:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{support}} - Fine by me! With the please that my PRs are better considered --[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 09:27, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{support|Very strong support}} No concerns or complaints from this user, trusted user with Steward, bureaucrat, admin, and interface administrator privileges. As you have been a long-term legitimate user with being a Steward for at least an entire year, we wish you very good lock having you here as an extremely strong-trust role here. It's great if you know PHP, SSH, and Git (and to be even more trusted, Apache, Github, Phabricator, Linux Debian, MySQL, MariaDB, PostgreSQL, and/or SQLite), and you are so active here plus a trusted Steward.  [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 14:48, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{support}} Looks good to me. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 13:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{support}} Trusted user [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 06:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
-===Oppose===
-===Neutral/abstain===
-===Discussion===
-Oh, but I'm not allowed to be? Interesting... And if you get it, me too one day, then that would be three (if not more)... [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-:I'm sure you can become one someday. Right now, it's your track record here on Test Wiki people are worried about, because you haven't been on here for all that long. All of our Stewards have had months to years of history here before becoming stewards, and there are no current non-founder sysadmins. I'd even encourage you to apply in the medium to long term future. We could use your help, but the community does not think you should be one right now. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-::I'm just afraid that too much could exist if I want to nominate myself for the second time! [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 21:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::I became a steward on my third request. When I put out a call for system administrators, there were no candidates. I doubt there will be too many system administrators by the time you try again. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 22:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-Do you know enough about MediaWiki software and SQL? If yes, how will you use this knowledge? Thanks for your help. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 16:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-:MediaWiki: Yes, I've been involved in various small projects, and so have enough knowledge to, for example, install extensions, manage them, and change configuration settings.
-:SQL: I have only a bit of prior knowledge of SQL (again, from the various small projects), but can probably figure out how to, for example, change namespaces DB side as required by [[phab:T71|T71]] or remove protection as required by [[phab:T60|T60]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-::That's OK there, Justarandomamerican. But you can learn SQL. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 20:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
-{{ping|Justarandomamerican}} do you also intend to help with creating and modifying user groups? One example would be that admins can modify filters by default, and abuse filter admins (like me) ''and'' stewards can modify filters with restricted actions, as well as the ability to enable these actions. Thus, the AFA user right should only have one right, which is <code>abusefilter-modify-restricted</code>. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 17:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-:Yes, I do intend to help out with that, and would be happy to remove redundant rights as required. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-Just out of curiosity and if possible, can you provide the link of the projects you worked on [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 06:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
-:There's only one that's still running, and that would be [https://meta.makeawiki.org MakeaWiki]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 11:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
-{{ping|MacFan4000}} Close this at your leisure. Thank you. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
-{{Discussion bottom}}
-==Inactivity bot==
-Think about writing one! Should they revoke the permissions directly, or just notify? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-:I'd say it should send notifications to the community portal at first, and upon demonstrating it works, have it make rights temporary when the user will be considered inactive in 2 weeks. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 16:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-==Systemadminstrator... or steward?==
-When would one be willing to accept me as a system administrator? I would be extremely unhappy to have to work for many months, a year or more! And would I have to become a steward first? Or could I be nominated and elected directly as a system administrator! Actually, the work itself says something about someone! Not the duration of the work [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 18:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-:This is probably due to your account age, and please do not take this for granted, but your suitability to those high-trust roles (non-test roles) are what might concern me. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 18:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-::Why? I mean, rejecting someone just because their account is ''too young''... Actions are what define one, not the duration of one's collaboration [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 18:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::System administrators can shut down the wiki at any time they please. They can also make decisions such as amending [[TW:PP|the privacy policy]] or blocking entire IP addresses from even being able to access the site. For this reason, the community wants to see quality and quantity of contributions from prospective system administrators. The same goes for prospective members of any non-test role that can make major decisions, such as [[TW:AFA|AFAs]] and [[TW:Stewards|Stewards]]. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 19:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-::And how old should an account be? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 18:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::Anywhere between 8 months to a year at least. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 19:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::How did you come up with exactly 8? Could be only 6 or 5 too [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 22:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::::So, how about this, I recommend you have between 7 and 12 months of activity at least and know how to use PHP, Git, and SSH, and also recommend getting a Github account and sign in to it. If you don't have a Github account, you can register a Github account. I would also recommend to be active on the Wiki and be an administrator or bureaucrat and suggest for the best experience before system administrator, I would at least recommend requesting Steward permissions and also get a server from Linux Debian, MySQL, MariaDB, PostgreSQL, or SQLite and have an understanding of it. To be a Steward you can have at least 5 or 6 months of activity at least. I suggest you also have an understanding of Apache HTTP Server. Please read and heed any advice you need. Thanks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 14:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::::As I said, I've been working with Linux Debian for over 4 years! So I'm already familiar with everything mentioned! I've also had a GitHub account for years!
-::::::And do I have to wait the 7-12 months AFTER my successful election as a steward, or just add the rest from the 4-5 months after the steward election? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 15:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::::::I'm sorry, you just joined late. In addition, I should say that you are too new there for Steward or System Administrator privileges. However, according to ChatGPT:
-:::::::"Yes, MediaWiki supports Linux Debian Server. MediaWiki, the software that powers Wikipedia, is designed to run on a variety of operating systems, including Linux. Debian, a popular Linux distribution, is well-suited for running MediaWiki due to its stability, security, and robust package management system."
-:::::::It is OK to use Linux Debian there on MediaWiki, but learn how to use Git, PHP, and SSH and also be active on this wiki. Please read and heed any advice. Thanks. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 20:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::::::I know that MediaWiki also runs on Linux Debian? Huh? You indicated yourself that test wiki runs on a Linux Debian machine? And as I said, I already understand all mentioned [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 06:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::::::::Well, yep. Kinda so, according to ChatGPT. Just wait a few months and be active enough to become system administrator. You know? I'm not a system administrator either! [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 20:11, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::::::::But I am sorry, Justman10000, this is a high trust role. Try again next time... [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 20:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::::::::I don't want to say that, but somehow... you're playing yourself up [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 08:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
-{{outdent|::::::::::}} It's real, not fake. And for true, only 1 is currently system administrator. However, this makes no flexibility for a regular steward to be flexible with a user that jumped from being a non-steward to a system administrator. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 12:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
-:I'd like to clarify that this is a test wiki, which means that anyone can experiment with MediaWiki functionality here. Within this space, users can request various permissions except for sys admin and steward, specifically for testing purposes. Sys admin and steward rights are crucial for the smooth operation of this wiki and are not intended for testing purposes. Steward rights are granted to users who invest significant time here, and the community trusts their judgment for sensitive actions. Similarly, the system admin right is not given out for testing; it's essential for maintaining the wiki's smooth functioning. At the moment, we have one sys admin diligently fulfilling their duties. Should the need arise, the community or founder can nominate trusted and technically proficient users to take up the sys admin role. I hope this clarifies things. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 13:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
-::Yes, this is correct, as gaining sysop and bureaucrat rights and being active for the wiki is the minimum for Steward or System Administrator rights, with additional System Administrators requiring know how to use PHP, Git, SSH, recommended MySQL, MariaDB, Linux Debian, SQLite, PostgreSQL, Apache, Github, and Phabricator and gaining Steward rights. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 13:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
-::Nothing I didn't already know [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 14:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
-:What does that have to do with my comment? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 14:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
-::Involving the user rights for you. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 14:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::{{Ping|Justman10000}} I would like you to respond and reply here. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 15:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::I still have no idea what you're talking about [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 16:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::::{{ping|Justman10000}} Here's the deal, you may have at least 7 months of activity and be active on this wiki to meet this criteria. You already meet other criteria, but I recommend yourself being a steward first. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 17:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
-==Nominating Drummingman for system adminship==
-{{discussion top|{{Not done}} due to candidate non-acceptance. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)}}
-I would like to nominate Drummingman because he's a trusted user with no concerns and he's here being a Steward for a little more than a year and active on this wiki. So what do you think of my nominal? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 20:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
-:Dear @[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] thanks for your nomination, I can certainly appreciate it. But I have absolutely no ambition to become a System administrator. Therefore, I do not accept the nomination. Greetings, [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:20, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
-===Questions for the candidate===
-===Voting===
-====Support====
-*{{Support}} Trusted user. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 20:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
-====Oppose====
-====Neutral/Abstain====
-===Comments===
-===Discussion===
-{{discussion bottom}}
-==Wiki changes to propose upcoming==
-In the next few days somehow, I will post a bulk inserting of wiki changes here on the community portal. [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 00:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
-==Help to make an icon==
-Can anyone make a user icon for system administrator? As I am not good in that stuff and I need the icon to be added to the newsletters, I'm pinging @[[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] as he previously updated some icons [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 14:59, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
-:We could make it together. So what do we think? [[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub> 15:41, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
-:[https://www.gimp.org/ GIMP] or [https://inkscape.org/ Inkspace] can be very useful for this kind of work. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 15:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
-::I have Canva, so I will make the logo shortly. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 06:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::{{done}}! I uploaded [[:File:TW-Sysadmin.png]]. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 06:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::Thank you very much! [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 09:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
-==Question==
-Do I have to pass a vote at the community portal for requesting bureaucrat rights? {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 12:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-:No. You need Steward approval, '''or''' have consensus here for your rights to be reinstated. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 15:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-::OK, I requested rights below. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-==Discord error==
-[[File:Discorderror.png|thumb]]
-I joined the Discord yesterday but couldn't verify (see image). Could someone take a look? Thanks. <span style="font-family:monospace;">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]]) 03:54, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
-:Wait a little bit or try to refresh (especially if taking indefinitely long), if still not working, check your Discord settings, and then try to refresh again, if not repeat this cycle until you believe the Discord settings are correct, then if it still happens, check your browser settings and refresh, repeat this cycle, if it is not clear your cache, and if still not working try to restart your computer {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 14:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
-::It is already fixed by me. Greetings [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::Thank you for fixing this. CanonNi, try to refresh tab. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 01:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::Yup, got it working. Thanks, both of you. <span style="font-family:monospace;">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]]) 04:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-==Consensus for [[mw:Extension:NewUserMessage|Extension:NewUserMessage]]==
-{{Discussion top|I think it's fair to say that there is consensus for implementing this extension, due to the only negative argument being rebutted without response. I'll go ahead and implement this. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 01:03, 6 July 2024 (UTC)}}
-[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] recently closed [[phab:T100|a task]] that intended to add [[mw:Extension:NewUserMessage|Extension:NewUserMessage]] which would add a message to the talk pages of newly created  accounts.The reason for closure was that he needed to see community consensus. Please note down your vote in suitable sections [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
-===Support===
-*{{support}} I don't see any concerns about adding the Extension [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{s}} We pretty much welcome all new users anyway, might as well automate it. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 19:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{support}} I think an automation is necessary to welcome new users and I support the extension because I requested it. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 19:48, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{support}} <span style="font-family:monospace;">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]]) 02:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
-*<s>{{Support}} {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 23:03, 29 June 2024 (UTC)</s>
-===Oppose===
-*{{oppose}} Honestly, this extension should NOT be implemented. To all of the users who will register when this bot is in operation will have their talk pages created automatically by this extension's bot with the standard <code><nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki></code> template and signature. Who knows who the bot welcomes and what those users' intentions will be? Most of those users will not deserve a welcome on their talk pages because they'll be users who will never make a single contribution here, so what's the point in welcoming users like them? This includes the future spam-bots and vandals of course. I view what the bot will do as spam and excessive clogging to the <code>User talk:</code> namespace. I prefer that we, this time, stick to welcoming new users on our own, to the ones who'll register and actually make their first constructive edits, or other ways from them that show their deserving of these welcomes. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 08:00, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:I would disagree. This Wiki is small and there are very little new users (only 13 accounts were registered last month). Even if certain users use their accounts for malicious purposes, they are easily blockable because, remember, almost everyone is an admin here. And if the extension does cause problems, it can be easily disabled. <span style="font-family:monospace;">'''<nowiki>'''[[</nowiki>[[User:CanonNi]]<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> ([[User talk:CanonNi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CanonNi|contribs]]) 11:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
-*::Furthermore, welcoming people and giving them quick links to request rights is helpful to new users that aren’t familiar with the layout of the wiki. There isn’t always someone online that will welcome them. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 01:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:::I would not oppose in the favor in that question. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 22:12, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
-===Neutral===
-*{{Neutral}} per Tsukushi pretty much Tsukushi may be true but I arguably think that a bot may welcome new users or someone would like to use a different Welcome template. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 22:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
-===Discussion===
-:I would like to remind you all that consensus is !voting. The opposition argument above will be given significantly more weight, as will any well thought out supporting or neutral arguments. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:06, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
-{{discussion bottom}}
-==Suggestion==
-Hey everyone, I've noticed that in the navigation section of the main menu on the left side, there's a link to test pages that redirects to a [[:Category:Test pages|category]] of test pages. Instead of linking to the category, I suggest we create a list of test pages and include a one-line description for each page. This would be more helpful for new users. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
-:That seems pretty uncontroversial, go ahead! [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 12:03, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
-==Why are my crat permissions not granted?==
-{{Discussion top}}
-I wanted to know. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 23:10, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
-:Hi. You were not granted bureaucrat because there was community consensus against granting you the permission. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 23:16, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
-::Fine, but I would say I would wait until 90 days, (oh, actually 3 months) passed. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 23:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
-:Because the majority of votes were against [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 23:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
-{{discussion bottom}}
-==My rights==
-{{Discussion top|{{Done}}, rights revoked}}
-Please remove all my rights except patroller. Thank you. [[User:PB2008|PB2008]] ([[User talk:PB2008|talk]]) 08:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
-:{{D}} by Justman10000. Thanks for your work here! [[User:Gepard|<span style="color:grey;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Gepard</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Gepard|''talk'']]</sub> 08:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
-{{discussion bottom}}
-==Requests for approval (bot)==
-{{Discussion top|{{done}}! Was granted [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 00:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)}}
-Hello all, I have created a bot account named [[User:DR bot]] for maintenance tasks on this wiki. The first task I want to perform with this bot is to archive discussions on pages like the community portal, user talk pages, and other discussion venues. Therefore, I am requesting approval from the community. I'm also happy to assist with other tasks as needed. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 16:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
-:I am against a bot archiving user talk pages, people should and do have the freedom to archive whenever. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 20:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
-::I would assume such a bot would be opt-in, as I would oppose mandatory archival myself. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:21, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
-:::This seems very uncontroversial if user talks are opt-in. We don’t have a RfBA here, @[[User:DR|DR]], so you are welcome to move forward with your bot. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 23:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
-::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]], @[[User:Sav|Sav]], @[[User:X|X]] This bot will not archive user talk page messages on its own. It will only do so if the following template is present. Users can add this template if they want to archive messages automatically.
-::::<code>
-::::<nowiki>{{User:DR/config</nowiki>
-::::|archive = User talk:DR/Archive %(counter)d
-::::|algo = old(1d)
-::::|counter = 1
-::::|maxarchivesize = 10k
-::::|archiveheader =
-::::|minthreadstoarchive = 1
-::::|minthreadsleft = 1
-::::<nowiki>}}</nowiki>
-::::</code> [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 02:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
-:::::Well, in that case, I'll go ahead and give your bot the green flag. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
-:::::Well, that changes my opinion. All good with me :) [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 19:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
-::::::Great, I will work on the documentation for this template. After that, we can set up auto-archiving for the community portal and the permissions request page. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 15:34, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
-:@[[User:DR|DR]] Can you shed light on other tasks this bot will perform? [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 12:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
-::I currently don't have any other tasks, but I am available to help with anything if someone needs. [[User:DR|DR]] ([[User talk:DR|talk]]) 12:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
-{{discussion bottom}}
-==Bureaucracy of Tailsultimatefan3891==
-{{Discussion top|{{not done}}. Consensus is clearly against TUF receiving 'crat rights. I suggest to Tailsultimatefan to take the feedback to heart and wait 2 weeks to a month before requesting crat here or to a Steward. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 17:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)}}
-{{userlinks|Tailsultimatefan3891}} {{RfP apl}}
-<!-- Do not edit above lines -->
-*'''Requested right''': <!-- Add the right you are requesting here (Administrator, Bureaucrat, Interface administrator) --> Bureaucrat (indef or until inactive for 3 months)
-*'''Link to your account in other projects, e.g. Wikimedia, Miraheze, Fandom''' (optional): <!-- Please make a confirmation edit on the other wiki referring to your current account on Test Wiki, then paste the diff link here: e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Example/sandbox?diff=prev&oldid=000000 --> [https://rating-system.contentpedia.wiki/wiki/User:CVP8805a1 Rating System Wiki Contentpedia]
-<!-- Place Yes/No in each of the boxes below (like so: [Yes]) to affirm your consent with what follows them. If placed No in any box or left blank, then it may result in your request taking longer to process due to discussion as to why you do not agree with the statement, and may ultimately lead to your request being denied. -->
-*[I agree] I am familiar with all of [[:Category:Test Wiki policies|Test Wiki's policies]] and agree to follow them completely.
-*[I also agree] I agree that I am entirely responsible for all actions done under this account, including actions performed under this account by someone other than myself.
-*[I also agree] I agree that if I misuse the tools, my access might be revoked and I may be banned from Test Wiki without prior warning.
-*[I also agree] Note this right can only be granted by stewards.
-'''Other comments''': <!-- You may use this space to insert other comments relevant to your request --> I would suggest passing a vote here. I know what are the risks here. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:16, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-===Support===
-*{{Support|Suppose}}, like mines! [[User:MihaiAdmin1|MihaiAdmin1]] ([[User talk:MihaiAdmin1|talk]]) 20:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-::Sockpuppetry suspected. I assume the stewards are investigating. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 20:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::No relation between Mihai and Tailsultimatefan. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::Yes, it was not me who did it by confirmation. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 16:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::Is the vote still valid? Said user is blocked [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 20:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
-*{{support|Weak support}} They haven't created any problems since acquiring the rights. Let's give them a temporary crat bit which can later be extended to permanent [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:14, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:What is the duration recommended? {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 16:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
-*::One month, at the minimum? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 03:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-*::That's for stewards to decide [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:::Maybe so. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 22:11, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{support}} If I recall correctly, this user has not done anything wrong recently, in the sense of violating policies. However, pretty much of what X said is true. But me personally, I don't have any problems with giving this user bureaucrat rights, but I'd also like to see them address the problems X has stated from the oppose and neutral sections. [[User:Tsukushi|Tsukushi]] ([[User talk:Tsukushi|talk]]) 08:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:Are you aware of the problems caused by the requester and still give your support? [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 20:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
-===Oppose===
-*{{Oppose|Strongly oppose}} Acts like he's a steward (always wants to lecture me), even if he means good, it's kind of annoying... For example [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=next&oldid=45107 this] or especially [https://testwiki.wiki/index.php?title=Test_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=next&oldid=45126 this]! As I said, even if it's meant good, one don't have to act like a steward if one isn't one! Furthermore, the requester assumes that he would be exempt from the inactivity policy (see behind '''Requested right''') --[[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 20:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
-*{{Oppose}} I haven’t seen a clear demonstration of maturity and knowledge of wiki norms to feel comfortable supporting this. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 17:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:Why? {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 17:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
-*::For one, you “supported” your own rights request above. You also left a comment saying you supported a users block, which I reverted. I’ve been back from my wiki break for only 2 days and have already seen two things that don’t show knowledge of community norms. That is why I am not comfortable at this time. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 18:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:::OK. You can change your vote at any time before voting ends. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 01:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-*::::I am aware, yes. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 01:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:::::I got it! OK. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 02:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:::::I think he meant, that you ''should'' change your vote [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 20:06, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
-*::::::As I said, I just think [[User:Justman10000|Justman10000]] ([[User talk:Justman10000|talk]]) 20:08, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
-*{{Oppose}} The user needs to get to know the policies for a while. [[User:LisafBia|LisafBia]] ([[User talk:LisafBia|talk]]) 15:58, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:I already know it. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 23:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{Oppose}} Per X's comment. [[User:Sav|Sav]] • ([[Special:Contribs/Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff"> Edits</span>]] | [[Special:Newsection/User talk:Sav|<span style="color:#0080ff">Talk </span>]]) 06:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:I already know it. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 23:04, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
-*{{o}} [[User:Gepard|<span style="color:grey;font-family:Comic Sans MS">Gepard</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Gepard|''talk'']]</sub> 14:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
-===Neutral/Abstain===
-*{{neutral}} Per X. [[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:Please note that this is a vote from a non-sysop. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 01:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-*::This, yet again, shows a lack of understanding of our policies. Non-sysops are permitted to voice their opinion in community discussions and their user rights hold no weight on their voting ability. Also, username is the alternative account of @[[User:Tsukushi|Jody]], a crat. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 01:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-*:::I got it! OK. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 02:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-===Comments===
-:Sometimes, I see some (if not most) of their edits in [[Abuse filter test]] trying to trigger and test some filters. Maybe you should do other non-test work here. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0024FF">'''''Codename Noreste'''''</span>]] 🤔 [[User talk:Codename Noreste|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0A16A5">''Talk''</span>]] 23:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-::It is just a test. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 23:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-{{Discussion bottom}}
-==Proposal==
-{{Discussion top|I've decided my idea needs some work.  Thanks to everyone for the advice.  [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC) }}
-Just like we have a disqualification section in bureaucrat policy why don’t we have a steward policy that covers how does the rights of stewards and non-steward suppressor are removed.I have noticed that some users with advanced rights i.e, steward and NSS remain inactive most of the time and come by once to make some little changes or perform actions once in 1-2 months so they can retain their rights. For example EPIC Who is a Wikimedia steward and hold administrator right at Swedish Wikipedia, I think he’s a bit busy that he can actively contribute to this project and same goes with Doug a.k.a. Dmehus who is semi active at Miraheze and really inactive at this project.Additionally X has been active for past few days. With this in mind I think we definitely need a way where the community can remove such advanced rights from the users through voting. Such a resolution can be taken place when at least one or more steward and or 5 or more Crats are supporting that proposals.This way we can hold the users accountable for misuses also [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 14:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
-:While this is happening, one of the bulk changes will be an addition of the consul permission, which can handle up to 6 months of inactivity to handle their rights and instead stewards can handle up to 9 months of inactivity to handle their rights. This may interfere with this discussion. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 20:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
-:This needs to be fleshed out more: What sort of consensus is required to remove Steward rights? What sort of consensus is required to remove NSS rights? How will the system prevent trolls or people holding [[WP:WP:battleground|grudges]] from missing it? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 04:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-::Well '''it is not remove Steward rights. It is to add Consul rights between Bureaucrat and Steward rights.''' {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 11:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::@[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] You should start a new section for discussion of consul permissions; please carry out only steward policy-related discussion here. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 14:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-::'''Reasons for Removal'''
-::The rights for stewards and NSS can be removed only under two circumstances:
-::1.) Misuse of Rights: Any actions taken by a steward or NSS that are deemed as a misuse of their powers.
-::2.) Inactivity: A period of inactivity that is less than that specified in the inactivity policy.
-::'''Initiating a Resolution'''
-::To initiate the removal of rights, a resolution must be started at the community portal. The specific requirements for starting such a resolution are as follows:
-::For Stewards: The resolution must be supported by at least 2 stewards and/or 5 bureaucrats.
-::For NSS: The resolution must be supported by at least 1 steward and/or 1 NSS and/or 4 bureaucrats.
-::'''Discussion and Voting Period'''
-::Once a resolution is initiated:
-::''Discussion Period'': The discussion must last for a minimum of 14 days and can extend up to a maximum of 30 days. This period allows for a thorough and reflective conversation among community members.
-::''Voting Period'': Voting will commence after one week of discussion.
-::'''Voting Requirements'''
-::In order to vote in the redesign, the user must have bureaucratic rights and have made 50 edits since acquiring admin rights
-::'''To ensure the removal of rights:'''
-::For Stewards: At least '''80%''' of the votes must support the removal.
-::For NSS: At least '''70'''% of the votes must support the removal. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 14:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]],this isn't perfect and it is just an idea of what purpose this would serve, if there is community consensus for the policy then I will proceed further [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 18:13, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::<s>I would {{support|support}} the idea of adding to the [[Test Wiki:Stewards|Stewards]] page or creating some sort of [[Test Wiki:Removal of non-test rights]] page to make such provisions. I prefer the former. I feel it would be useful. </s> [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 18:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::In my opinions, I would {{Support}} this proposal. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 18:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::Once I reach home I will make up the page as it seems there is community consensus for it [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 04:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::::<s> I would {{support}} it, but with the following additional condition: Only users who have at least the bureaucratic right, and who have made at least 50 (non-vandalistic) edits two weeks before the start of the discussion period, can vote during the impeachment process. This is to prevent trolls/vandals or troublemakers etc. from deploying sock puppets and/or meat puppets. Of course, other users who cannot meet those requirements are allowed to keep participating in the discussion of course they are not allowed to use sock puppets, and they are not allowed to vote. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 20:23, 26 June 2024 (UTC) </s>
-:::::How does this apply to system administrators? [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
-::::::support provisionally crossed out due to practical concerns, from Justarandomamerican. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 21:57, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::::::@[[User:TheAstorPastor|TheAstorPastor]] The only way I can think of is for stewards to have access to user rights and the server without being System administrators. This is to be able to add and remove rights; otherwise you have a system that is not foolproof. I honestly wonder if this is all well-thought-out now that I see these practical objections? We are a small community, this seems very difficult. A possible solution could also be, merge stewards and SA into the new users right 'Steward'. If 2 stewards or fewer remain, impeachment from the community is not possible. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 22:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::::::I still would {{Support}} this proposal, but for the resolutions, for the stewards, 2 stewards and/or 4 NSS and/or 4 AFAs, and/or 5 bureaucrats and/or 15 administrators, and for the NSSes and AFAs, 1 steward, 2 AFAs and/or 2 NSS and/or 4 bureaucrats and/or 12 administrators. But I am not sure because the upcoming consul permission may interfere with the requirements. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 01:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::::::{{Ping|Drummingman}} {{Oppose}} the removal of system administrator right. As a steward combined they can be so powerful that they can lock the database or grant all user rights. However, later, I will announce the consul right as in between bureaucrat and steward, as an equivalent to sheriff on thetestwiki.org so system administrator rights will be slightly more rarely given than earlier to keep it balanced. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 01:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] and @[[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] Well SA rights can be removed in a similar fashion i.e, 2 steward, and or 5 bureaucrat .We are a small community with 4 Steward,2 NSS and 2 SA.If there is 2 steward then definitely the impeachment is not possible but there is another way that is 5 bureaucrats. Existing steward may check user the votes so there is no sockpuppetry or meat puppetry. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 11:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::::Another possibility is that SA rights can't be removed for inactivity, which is less than specified in [[TW:IP]] because we only have 2 SA, out of which MacFan4000 remains inactive most of the time. But they can be removed for misuse. [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 11:44, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::::::{{neutral}} at this point. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 21:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::::::@[[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] Do you think that I should proceed with the policy or wait a little bit longer? [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 15:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::::::::It would need to be closed by an uninvolved user, and I would not say that consensus has been reached yet. I would suggest taking all the feedback you’ve received and create a user subpage of what the updated rights pages would look like and create a new thread for the community to vote on. [[User:X|'''<span style="background:#3383ff;color:white;padding:5px;box-shadow:0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.2)">X</span>''']] ([[User talk:X|talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/X|contribs]]) 15:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::::::::Thanks for the feedback. Would you care to close the thread? [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 17:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
-:::::::::::I am now also {{neutral}} because, no practical solution has been found for the SA combination stewards. [[User:Drummingman|Drummingman]] ([[User talk:Drummingman|talk]]) 19:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
-::::::::::::Sorry to argue about this, but system administrator rights are very powerful and I oppose on this decision. Like again:
-::::::::::::"I still would {{Support}} this proposal, but for the resolutions, for the stewards, 2 stewards and/or 4 NSS and/or 4 AFAs, and/or 5 bureaucrats and/or 15 administrators, and for the NSSes and AFAs, 1 steward, 2 AFAs and/or 2 NSS and/or 4 bureaucrats and/or 12 administrators. But I am not sure because the upcoming consul permission may interfere with the requirements."
-::::::::::::And another statement I made:
-::::::::::::"{{Oppose}} the removal of system administrator right. As a steward combined they can be so powerful that they can lock the database or grant all user rights. However, later, I will announce the consul right as in between bureaucrat and steward, as an equivalent to sheriff on thetestwiki.org so system administrator rights will be slightly more rarely given than earlier to keep it balanced."
-::::::::::::In addition, non-bureaucrats can vote during the impeachment process as long as they made at least 70 (non-vandalism) edits 1 week prior to, has been registered for at least 1 month, and needs to be an administrator. {{Font|[[User:Tailsultimatefan3891|Tailsultimatefan3891]] <sup>[[User talk:Tailsultimatefan3891|talk]]</sup><small>[[Special:Log/Tailsultimatefan3891|logs]]</small><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Tailsultimatefan3891|contribs]]</sub>|font=Roboto}} 22:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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