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Interface administrator

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Due to a lack of work and trust in the community, no, or at least only extremely few, non-test edits on my part are to be expected Justman10000 (talk) 17:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Since there is nothing more for me to do here, I would like to be a interface administrator... I would mainly take care of the gadgets, adding or removing scripts (if desired) there and translating them... Since I seem to have plenty of time until candidate as steward/system administrator, I would at least to do this!

As I said, without this I would have nothing more to do here! And we don't want me to just sit here and wait Justman10000 (talk) 08:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Not a steward but this attitude isn’t encouraging to me. I don’t have confidence that you will be a suitable IA, mainly due to WP:CIR. Do you have any previous work in this area? X (talk + contribs) 02:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
As I said, I would mainly manage the gadgets... Justman10000 (talk) 08:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
IA is a sensitive right, in the hands of people who don't know what they are doing, it can even be dangerous. Can you convince me that you know what you are doing and have experience with the interface? Drummingman (talk) 09:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Well, I've already looked into the configuration syntax of the gadget extension! If necessary, I'll just look in the MediaWiki documentation Justman10000 (talk) 09:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
@Drummingman There? Justman10000 (talk) 06:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
What coding languages do you know? Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 06:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
It's still all about the gadgets, so I wouldn't need any coding experience! I would mainly import scripts from other wikis, tidy up the gadgets and translate them Justman10000 (talk) 06:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Interface Administrator requires coding knowledge. So, for me, this is an  Oppose. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 07:43, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
I said I didn't need it! I would only manage gadgets! And if one were finally able to give me a chance, I could prove it too... Justman10000 (talk) 07:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
So how you plan to manage gadgets without coding experience? The AP (talk) 11:59, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
I don't get what one is getting at? Where do I need coding experience for this:

Selective Rollback[ResourceLoader|rights=rollback]|Selective Rollback.js Justman10000 (talk) 12:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
@Justman10000 That's just MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition and you said "mainly import scripts from other wikis,", and how do you plan to make scripts compatible to our wiki. The AP (talk) 13:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
No need to! Practically every script that I use here in my common.js is also compatible with this wiki! I just don't import the rest! I would possibly find more! I would test each script first, however Justman10000 (talk) 14:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Now having experience as an Iinterface admin I don’t trust him too much.@Justman1000: Now having experience as an Interface admin I don’t trust you too much. And in addition if you do not know any coding language this will be mission hard.Could you give me a mini JS script to say hello?(you should at least know this to be interface admin)DodoMan (talk) 17:37, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Apologies, but this  will not be done for the time being, due to Drummimgman's and the various IAs' discomfort. Justarandomamerican (talk) 17:44, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Do I actually speak Turkish? Or against a wall? Without these permissions I have nothing more to do here! Is that so difficult to understand? I'm getting really fed up! No one is able to give me a chance! Justman10000 (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Besides, you said I should convince YOU? So what does that have to do with the other IAs? Justman10000 (talk) 23:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
As a Steward, I am a community representative. I cannot ignore IA or any community thoughts, especially on a topic posted here. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
I see... But as already mentioned, without the said permissions... Justman10000 (talk) 00:12, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Would it be possible to assign these at least temporarily? Justman10000 (talk) 00:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
I will consider a 3 day trial, so long as you agree stick to importing and making gadgets. Justarandomamerican (talk) 00:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Justman10000 (talk) 01:07, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
@Justarandomamerican There? Justman10000 (talk) 14:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Upon further inspection, it appears that you do not have a sufficient grasp on the purpose of the IA right. At Test Wiki, when gadgets are imported, a human interface administrator has to both import them and use their coding knowledge to tailor them to our wiki, as the majority of gadgets are designed for massive wiki (farms). I am also uncomfortable with your seemingly uncivil attitude. As such,  this is not done, and likely will not be done for the foreseeable future. Justarandomamerican (talk) 15:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
We still have 6-8 months until I can candidate for stewardship! I have explained many times that without these permissions I would have nothing to do here, and scripts that I would import would also work here! But I seem to be talking to a wall! If one is permanently not trusted by anyone, one should not be wondering if this person shows an uncivil attitude!

And believe me, I'm still holding myself back significantly Justman10000 (talk) 17:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
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UserRightsManager

The name of the userRightsManager gadget has changed, so some users may have the tick turned off. It may be necessary to re-enable it in the preferences. LisafBia (talk) 13:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

We encourage bureaucrats, if you have last edited before June 2024, to re-enable its preferences. This user  supports this decision. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 20:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Inactivity for AFAs

Should inactivity for AFAs be measured in regular terms, or should it be measured by the last time an abuse filter was modified by an AFA, or perhaps even the last time a filter was modified to use a restricted action or a restricted filter was modified? I'd like to know consensus on this before I go and modify the inactivity policy. Justarandomamerican (talk) 23:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I would choose when the last time some AFA modified a regular abuse filter (without restricted actions). Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 02:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
We don't have a bot for it yet? That checks for inactivity? Justman10000 (talk) 16:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Nope. It's a manual process. Justarandomamerican (talk) 16:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Would be at least 3 months at least I can suggest. Tailsultimatefan3891 talkcontribs 12:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Abuse Filter Manager is less security-sensitive than Interface Administrator, which is entirely within Steward purview and generally accepted of at least 30 days of inactivity within relevant areas.
I would suggest the 3 month time limit proposed by Tailsultimatefan3891 is sufficient, but would add that it would be activity within Special:AbuseFilter, not any wiki activity. Dmehus (talk) 18:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
However, if it is determined that an abuse filter admin made their latest active action editing an abuse filter, also an bureaucrat, and administrator, and inactive for at least 3 months regardless of abuse filter activity or wiki activity, then all rights would be revocated. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 20:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm  Support with 3 months AlPaD (talk) 20:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
Fair point, Tailsultimatefan3891, but I'd still favour codifying that is limited activity within the AbuseFilter space, as we could eventually subsequently amend the inactivity requirements for Bureaucrat and/or Administrator to, say, 6 months (I'd probably favour keeping Bureaucrat at 3 months and increase Administrator to 6 months, though). Also, while unlikely, it's possible someone may only request the AbuseFilter Manager permission. Dmehus (talk) 23:49, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
I'm saying to increase steward inactivity to 9 months, because you said to increase Administrator to 6 months. Also, System administrator rights can be re-granted within 6 hours of revocation due to inactivity, and steward rights can be re-granted within 24 hours of revocation due to inactivity. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 13:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Steward activity is currently set at 12 months, though. I think that's fair. System Administrator used to have either no inactivity limit or a 12 month limit. I think it should have an inactivity limit, but 12 months is fair.
Administrator - 6 months
Bureaucrat - 3-6 months (I support either, but maybe prefer 3 months)
Steward - 12 months
System Administrator - 12 months
Interface Administrator - it's a steward-granted user group, so steward discretion applies, but generally speaking, the convention has been for 30 days of activity requiring the permission in MediaWiki or User namespace (i.e., other than their own userspace) Dmehus (talk) 18:56, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Doug and TUF, I believe this would best be another discussion on a new thread, given that we've already come to a consensus on AFA inactivity (3 months of no abuse filter related activity). Justarandomamerican (talk) 19:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Suppression Reports

Not sure if this was ever officially announced, but you can go to Special:Report/REVID to report a revision that needs suppressed. X (talk + contribs) 21:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

When I installed the extension, I announced it on Discord, but never made an announcement here. *facepalm* Justarandomamerican (talk) 21:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
*sigh* *ahem* I agree on this feature. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 21:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
You’re fine, no problem! X (talk + contribs) 21:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
It's also included in the newsletter :) The AP (talk) 15:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Cool, right? Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 17:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Welcoming users

We should welcome a newly-registered user when they make their first edit. Not before, but after. Tsukushi (talk) 01:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

 Clear support. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 15:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Translations into Chinese

Hi. I've been doing some translations lately and was wondering which variant of Chinese to translate to. Currently most pages are translated into regional dialects, such as zh-cn and zh-tw. What I think would be better is to translate only into zh-hans (simplified Chinese) and zh-hant (traditional Chinese) in order to reduce redundancy, as all Chinese dialects use one of the two character systems. Any thoughts? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Well I think you should translate into the more popular dialect The AP (talk) 12:01, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Honestly, I think that we should only do the two main variants of Chinese (Traditional and Simplified). Regional dialects complicate things.. Justarandomamerican (talk) 18:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
I lightly and honestly will  oppose reducing the variants of Chinese. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 21:25, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
For what reason? Regional dialects can be broken down into the two main dialects of Chinese. Justarandomamerican (talk) 20:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
For some reason, variants of Chinese may be spoken may be many people, such as some people may speak a partial of Traditional and Simplified Chinese, they are multiple dialects of Chinese, 3 dialects of Chinese may be said by a person while others speak mainly only 1 dialect. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 11:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Community Vote

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Good afternoon, everyone.
I request a vote on the following proposal: When a bot is created, [[User:Sav/Templates/Emergency-user-block|this]] template could be automatically added to their user page. The process would check for accounts with the 'bot' permission and confirm whether or not the user page has content. If it does, the template would be placed at the top; if it doesn’t, the template would be placed regardless. The template is a quick and easy way to block bot accouts that may not be functioning properly. Thank you for your consideration. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 15:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Support

Oppose

Neutral

Questions

Comments

This has been put before the community previously. See Test Wiki:Community portal/Archive 8#Proposed amendment to Test Wiki:Bots. Justarandomamerican (talk) 10:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

It has indeed, however this time it seems to have more consensus and support. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 04:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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Special:PageLanguage enabled

Multiple groups have the pagelang permission, but the page wasn't enabled until I set $wgPageLanguageUseDB to true. You can now change page languages. The default is still English. Justarandomamerican (talk) 22:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Rename

Steward can rename rafdodobot on DodoBot please. Thanks --DodoMan (talk) 19:01, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done Justarandomamerican (talk) 09:01, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Gadget-OnlineAdmins.js edited

OnlineAdmins.js has been edited slightly to reflect formatting, you may need to reinstall this gadget. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 03:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

There has been one final change to the code, please reinstall this gadget to reflect the changes. Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 06:39, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
I honestly think we should just replace this with mw:Extension:WhosOnline. Tsukushi (talk) 07:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Putting on my sysadmin hat here, to say that this has been previously rejected, and I will probably reject it again. Justarandomamerican (talk) 09:31, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Possibly, Gadget-OnlineAdmins.js and WhosOnline should be implemented altogether. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 20:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Abuse filter to prevent legal threats

I had implemented filter 164 to prevent legal threats and I also tried testing filter 164 by using filter 165 but it didn't work. Would you help me on this? Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 11:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

I implemented another abuse filter, numbered 166, leaving that more simple. Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 20:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

API

what is the url of the API(for creating DodoBot)DodoBot (talk) 09:39, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

See https://mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Main_page Justarandomamerican (talk) 21:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to modify the block durations for filter 92

As the title says, I propose modifying the block durations (IP addresses and accounts) from three months down to whatever block duration limit (whether shorter or not) is appropriate. Codename Noreste 🤔 Talk 03:26, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

MediaWiki internal error on Special:SpecialPages

[b3226bde47e2affaf7622a8e] /wiki/Special:SpecialPages TypeError: Cannot assign APCUBagOStuff to property MediaWiki\Extension\Translate\Statistics\LanguageStatsSpecialPage::$cache of type Wikimedia\ObjectCache\BagOStuff Backtrace: from /var/www/html/extensions/Translate/src/Statistics/LanguageStatsSpecialPage.php(84)

  1. 0 /var/www/html/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory.php(240): MediaWiki\Extension\Translate\Statistics\LanguageStatsSpecialPage->__construct()
  2. 1 /var/www/html/vendor/wikimedia/object-factory/src/ObjectFactory.php(149): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory::getObjectFromSpec()
  3. 2 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1501): Wikimedia\ObjectFactory\ObjectFactory->createObject()
  4. 3 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1539): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->getPage()
  5. 4 /var/www/html/includes/specials/SpecialSpecialPages.php(64): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->getUsablePages()
  6. 5 /var/www/html/includes/specials/SpecialSpecialPages.php(53): MediaWiki\Specials\SpecialSpecialPages->getPageGroups()
  7. 6 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPage.php(719): MediaWiki\Specials\SpecialSpecialPages->execute()
  8. 7 /var/www/html/includes/specialpage/SpecialPageFactory.php(1669): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPage->run()
  9. 8 /var/www/html/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(504): MediaWiki\SpecialPage\SpecialPageFactory->executePath()
  10. 9 /var/www/html/includes/actions/ActionEntryPoint.php(145): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->performRequest()
  11. 10 /var/www/html/includes/MediaWikiEntryPoint.php(199): MediaWiki\Actions\ActionEntryPoint->execute()
  12. 11 /var/www/html/index.php(58): MediaWiki\MediaWikiEntryPoint->run()
  13. 12 {main}

Tailsultimatefan3891 talklogscontribs 22:59, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

@Justarandomamerican
You could try modifying the LanguageStatsSpecialPage.php file at line 84, where the cache assignment occurs, to handle the cache object
if ($cache instanceof Wikimedia\ObjectCache\BagOStuff) {
$this->cache = $cache;
} else {
// Handle error or set default cache.
}
But before that, check if the translation extension is compatible with the the MW version because of now-translation extension >= 1.42.0 The AP (talk) 17:24, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Steward

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Even though not too much time has passed, I am still candidate as steward... Let's face it, there is simply nothing or hardly anything left for me to do and I rather could prove myself as steward than as bureaucrat! I could also help better as steward...

I hope for a chance... Justman10000 (talk) 17:38, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Support

Oppose

  •  Oppose We currently have 4 Stewards, with 2 being active (Justarandomamerican & Drummingman). Alongside this, your reasoning of Let's face it, there is simply nothing or hardly anything left for me to do and I rather could prove myself as steward than as bureaucrat! does not reflect a clear understanding of the Steward role. Instead, it suggests an interest in hat collecting, rather than having a clear understand of what a Steward does. Good luck with your request! Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 09:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
    As I wrote below, no steward, nothing to do! Justman10000 (talk) 11:21, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
    You're clearly not understanding what a Steward does, Justman. You don't just apply for Stewardship because you are "bored" or "have nothing to do". Sav • ( Edits | Talk ) 11:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
    No, but I would also do what stewards do Justman10000 (talk) 14:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
    Besides, I want to be a system administrator! And since one said that it was helpful to be a steward first... Justman10000 (talk) 16:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
    There is plenty to do without having the steward tools. You can continue to translate pages into German, which is of great importance. Test Wiki is multilingual, and your efforts are valued as a translator. You can fight the occasional vandalism and spam that comes through. Beyond non-test actions, you can also keep testing the admin and bureaucrat tools! See what you can do with them. Justarandomamerican (talk) 13:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
    It won't take long, then I won't have anything left to translate either Justman10000 (talk) 16:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
  •  Oppose I don't think that you understand the policies well, and Sav's point is also valid. Steward right is a right that requires great dedication and knowledge. It also requires the user to be trustworthy. LisafBia (talk) 10:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
    If one don't try, one won't find out! And as I already said in my candidacy, as a bureaucrat I have nothing more to do! And just sitting dumb around is not the sence either. Justman10000 (talk) 11:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
  •  Oppose: Stewards privileges is very sensitive and most important role than other privileges, I believe other stewards are doing her job and not need to grant stewardship to others users.Happy testing!---kítєrєtѕu•[@píng mє] 16:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
  •  Oppose and suggest a restriction for Justman10000 on opening another RfS that wastes volunteer/community time. This request shows a lack of understanding of the role of stewards and does not give me confidence in the candidate. X (talk + contribs) 16:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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